Obama's support for Ground Zero Mosque

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Same thing.

McVeigh Clan v. Al Quada

Of course it is. Anybody committing murder in the name of a religion paints all members of that religion as being exactly the same. Right?

I'm done. You boys carry on trying to deny your fellow Americans their right to practice their religion, because you don't like it.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm done. You boys carry on trying to deny your fellow Americans their right to practice their religion, because you don't like it.

I think they have a right to build the mosque as I've said repeatedly. I also want to see NYC in it's 'Time's Square' glory to be out in front. That's also a right and the American way.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

Of course it is. Anybody committing murder in the name of a religion paints all members of that religion as being exactly the same. Right?

I'm done. You boys carry on trying to deny your fellow Americans their right to practice their religion, because you don't like it.

I think when a prophet tells members of the group to kill those leaving the group, then it should be recognized as a hate group. If they don't want to be known as a hate group, then they should make it known that they disagree with their prophet. You demand freedom of religion for Muslims, but Muslims don't even believe in freedom of religion for Muslims.

[timmgirvan]

Dont confuse her with the facts!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Dont confuse her with the facts!

I don't see many facts. Mostly the frantic throwing of straw men. It's hard to make a case supporting religious persecution of Americans, in America.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

I don't see many facts. Mostly the frantic throwing of straw men. It's hard to make a case supporting religious persecution of Americans, in America.

Months ago now, I brought you the facts of "taquiyya" in an effort to expose the tactics of this 'religion of peace'. I'm so tired of this strawman bogus crap...it is you and a few others who continually DONT look at the Facts of this religions' sworn aims,attitudes and actions! Put your head in the sand if you must, but dont tell me that I misrepresent the religion of Islam,or their fanatics.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I think when a prophet tells members of the group to kill those leaving the group, then it should be recognized as a hate group. If they don't want to be known as a hate group, then they should make it known that they disagree with their prophet. You demand freedom of religion for Muslims, but Muslims don't even believe in freedom of religion for Muslims.

I don't have to demand freedom of religion for Muslims. They already have that in the US.

The "hate group" doesn't seen to be Muslim.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

I don't have to demand freedom of religion for Muslims. They already have that in the US.

Really? If the religion allows them to be killed for leaving Islam, are they really free to leave Islam? You don't seem very interested in making sure they truly have religious freedom. See, many Americans feel this religion quietly supports ignoring our laws, but they want the protection (our laws provide) when it favors their goals. We have freedom of religion here, but that also would require a religion to allow members to choose another religion (if they so choose.) See, the very thing you say you're fighting for (religious freedom) is something this religion lacks (to begin with.) You're demanding religious freedom for people who don't believe in religious freedom. You see American Muslims getting bent about non-Muslims having to avoid eating (in public) during the day? Huh? They aren't real upset about that being the case in Muslim dominated countries. Nope. American Muslims don't give a crap about the lack of religious freedom during Ramadan in Egypt etc. To me, their thirst for religious freedom is pretty limited to when it favors their goals.....only!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Really? If the religion allows them to be killed for leaving Islam, are they really free to leave Islam? You don't seem very interested in making sure they truly have religious freedom.

Your knowledge of Islam seems accumulated from the postings on a few hate sites.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your knowledge of Islam seems accumulated from the postings on a few hate sites.

Oh? You don't like that someone actually documents the lack of religious freedom that islam supports. I'm shocked. Simply shocked that you'd attack the messenger. This religion is full of hate for non-Muslims. So, yes, the sites are hate sites. They document the hate in that religion.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Oh? You don't like that someone actually documents the lack of religious freedom that islam supports. I'm shocked. Simply shocked that you'd attack the messenger. This religion is full of hate for non-Muslims. So, yes, the sites are hate sites. They document the hate in that religion.

i see...what they do is horrible, so we should take a page from their book and act in kind. i thought we were better than that.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

The "hate group" doesn't seen to be Muslim.

Really? Anybody remember when our Gov't had to beg the leader of Afghanistan to save the life of a Moslem who converted to Christianity? That wasn't Taliban, or Al Quaeda. It was just considered normal Islam in Afghanistan. American Moslems wanting protection of our laws should come out against these things that our laws don't allow. Otherwise, they are just seen as Moslem Hypocrites (wanting their cake n' eat it, too.) That's really what's going on in this case. They want to use our laws to force a Mosque be allowed 2 blocks from the 9/11 site, but they also wont come out against the practices in Islam that are against American Laws.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Really? Anybody remember when our Gov't had to beg the leader of Afghanistan to save the life of a Moslem who converted to Christianity? That wasn't Taliban, or Al Quaeda. It was just considered normal Islam in Afghanistan. American Moslems wanting protection of our laws should come out against these things that our laws don't allow. Otherwise, they are just seen as Moslem Hypocrites (wanting their cake n' eat it, too.) That's really what's going on in this case. They want to use our laws to force a Mosque be allowed 2 blocks from the 9/11 site, but they also wont come out against the practices in Islam that are against American Laws.

by these statements, i see you didn't bother to go to the links i posted that show all the islamic statements by people in this country, as well as others, who spoke out against the terrorist attacks.
as for not agreeing with their religion-so don't convert to islam. allowing that building two blocks from the tower site won't cause conversions, it doesn't break any laws, and it won't protect anyone who happens to be islam who chooses to break a law. your discomfort with their religion doesn't mean they aren't free to practice it.
our laws, our guaranteed rights are for everyone, not just those deemed popular, not just those approved with a majority. it's why free speech is allowed, not just unobjectionable free speech.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

by these statements, i see you didn't bother to go to the links i posted that show all the islamic statements by people in this country, as well as others, who spoke out against the terrorist attacks.
as for not agreeing with their religion-so don't convert to islam. allowing that building two blocks from the tower site won't cause conversions, it doesn't break any laws, and it won't protect anyone who happens to be islam who chooses to break a law. your discomfort with their religion doesn't mean they aren't free to practice it.
our laws, our guaranteed rights are for everyone, not just those deemed popular, not just those approved with a majority. it's why free speech is allowed, not just unobjectionable free speech.

There are a lot of reasons why people aren't allowed to open up shop in a location. Public input is involved. Nobody can tell them not to open a Mosque. "Where at" is another story. I find adult sex shops a hell of a lot safer than what is produced in Mosques, but sex shops can't just open up anywhere they want.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

There are a lot of reasons why people aren't allowed to open up shop in a location. Public input is involved. Nobody can tell them not to open a Mosque. "Where at" is another story. I find adult sex shops a hell of a lot safer than what is produced in Mosques, but sex shops can't just open up anywhere they want.

They have been praying at this very location for some years now. The "mosque" is already there. And has been.

Where was your outrage over that for the past 10 years?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

by these statements, i see you didn't bother to go to the links i posted that show all the islamic statements by people in this country, as well as others, who spoke out against the terrorist attacks.

Honey, if you've got links to Moslems directly speaking out against the actual words of Mo (that these terrorists were following,) then I'll gladly look at it. Anything else is useless bullshit artist stuff that they are expert at producing.

[Nascar1966]

Just was reading that Reid was against this mosque. He is probably trying to save his job since no one likes him now.