Obama's support for Ground Zero Mosque

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Pretending that all of Islam is alike - that they are all terrorist extremists - is wrong.

No one said that all muslims are terrorists but the one that flew planes into those buildings weren't part of some fringe group no one ever heard of that was wiped out that day. They were muslim terrorists no matter how you try to spin it. If they were Christian terrorists I'm sure there would be an outrage if they were building a church on the site. If they were Jews there would be outrage if they were trying to build a temple on the site. But the catch is they weren't christians and they weren't Jews, they were muslims hence the controversy.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one said that all muslims are terrorists but the one that flew planes into those buildings weren't part of some fringe group no one ever heard of that was wiped out that day. They were muslim terrorists no matter how you try to spin it. .

Baloney. They were Al-Qaeda. A violent extremist fringe group. No matter how hard you try to spin it otherwise.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Baloney. They were Al-Qaeda. A violent extremist fringe group. No matter how hard you try to spin it otherwise.

were they reciting islamic prayers or al qaeda creeds as they were heading into the area where the mosque will be built?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

were they reciting islamic prayers or al qaeda creeds as they were heading into the area where the mosque will be built?

ROFLMAO. Because that really matters, doesn't it, Dell? As much as if a band of self-avowed Christians blows up a building killing hundreds of Americans, if they were reciting verses from the NewTestament while they are killing toddlers, that means all other Christians in the world are religious murderers, too.

Fail.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

ROFLMAO. Because that really matters, doesn't it, Dell? As much as if a band of self-avowed Christians blows up a building killing hundreds of Americans, .

Same thing.

McVeigh Clan v. Al Quada

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Same thing.

McVeigh Clan v. Al Quada

Of course it is. Anybody committing murder in the name of a religion paints all members of that religion as being exactly the same. Right?

I'm done. You boys carry on trying to deny your fellow Americans their right to practice their religion, because you don't like it.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm done. You boys carry on trying to deny your fellow Americans their right to practice their religion, because you don't like it.

I think they have a right to build the mosque as I've said repeatedly. I also want to see NYC in it's 'Time's Square' glory to be out in front. That's also a right and the American way.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

Of course it is. Anybody committing murder in the name of a religion paints all members of that religion as being exactly the same. Right?

I'm done. You boys carry on trying to deny your fellow Americans their right to practice their religion, because you don't like it.

I think when a prophet tells members of the group to kill those leaving the group, then it should be recognized as a hate group. If they don't want to be known as a hate group, then they should make it known that they disagree with their prophet. You demand freedom of religion for Muslims, but Muslims don't even believe in freedom of religion for Muslims.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

ROFLMAO. Because that really matters, doesn't it, Dell? As much as if a band of self-avowed Christians blows up a building killing hundreds of Americans, if they were reciting verses from the NewTestament while they are killing toddlers, that means all other Christians in the world are religious murderers, too.

Fail.

A really huge "if." Christians don't commonly recite the Bible while they blow up a building full of innocent Muslims. It's not really a part of Christ's teachings. On the other hand, Mo beheaded 600-900 men who had already surrendered to him. so, it's not that hard to see where Muslims would behead a Jew that they'd kidnapped. Their prophet had it done in front of him at least 600 times in one night.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Baloney. They were Al-Qaeda. A violent extremist fringe group. No matter how hard you try to spin it otherwise.

Which has perhaps hundreds of thousands of members worldwide, including in the US, virtually all of which are Muslims. They also have the support of a wide swath of the Muslim world. Can you tell me by sight who is a violent muslim member of Al Queda and who is a peaceful muslim? Is there a Christian fringe group the size or scope of Al Queda?

[Riot]

Which has perhaps hundreds of thousands of members worldwide, including in the US, virtually all of which are Muslims.

Um ... you'd better google Al Quaeda.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Um ... you'd better google Al Quaeda.

you'd be better off google-ing STFU

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Can you tell me by sight who is a violent muslim member of Al Queda and who is a peaceful muslim?

Can you tell me by sight who is a violent abortion doctor-killing Christian and who is a peaceful Christian?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Can you tell me by sight who is a violent abortion doctor-killing Christian and who is a peaceful Christian?

Sure. a few are in jail and the rest are peaceful. Comparing a handful of violent right wing extremists and a world wide terror network is a stretch.

It is the sign of desperation to try to compare self-avowed enemies of the country and a handful of domestic looneys.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Sure. a few are in jail and the rest are peaceful. Comparing a handful of violent right wing extremists and a world wide terror network is a stretch.

It is the sign of desperation to try to compare self-avowed enemies of the country and a handful of domestic looneys.

Naw. It's a sign of desperation to try and make the ridiculous argument that millions of people around the world, in multiple countries - including millions of your fellow Americans - are no different from Al-Quaeda terrorists just because they they share the grossest broad generality of being of, "the same religion"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Naw. It's a sign of desperation to try and make the ridiculous argument that millions of people around the world, in multiple countries - including millions of your fellow Americans - are no different from Al-Quaeda terrorists just because they they share the grossest broad generality of being of, "the same religion"

But we arent talking about millions around the world. We are talking about one specific site which was created by muslim terrorists hence the push against the mosques location. Trying to say that everyone who is against the site is racist or believes all muslims to be terrorists is typical drivel.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Can you tell me by sight who is a violent abortion doctor-killing Christian and who is a peaceful Christian?

That's Obama/Carter kinda of reasoning/understanding

More girls jumping rope have been killed in Chicago this year than abortion Dr.'s nationwide.

[Cannon Shell]

Since when does freedom of religion extend the right to practice said religion any location they want? So if i run out on the field at a Phillies game but carry a prayer rug they will stop the game so I can pray to mecca and won't tase me? This has little to do with freedom of religion. It has a lot to do with the location of a building. That and an attempt (quite successful I might add) to garner as much publicity as possible.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Since when does freedom of religion extend the right to practice said religion on private property?

Fixed that for you.

You guys should have quit when you were ahead.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Since when does freedom of religion extend the right to practice said religion any location they want? So if i run out on the field at a Phillies game but carry a prayer rug they will stop the game so I can pray to mecca and won't tase me? This has little to do with freedom of religion. It has a lot to do with the location of a building. That and an attempt (quite successful I might add) to garner as much publicity as possible.

it might start with the fact they own the property.

people look at this county and want to live here. we're supposed to stand for something here. people think they can come here for a better life, we're supposed to be almost a utopia. but because a fringe group of radical nutjobs did a horrific thing, no one who has a tie to the religion that group was supposedly practicing can live in peace? worship the way they wish? are you saying that a religion who has a criminal element should all be tarred with the same brush? should we tail all catholic priests, assuming they all have nefarious plans? if you say they have a right, i'm not quite sure why you're still arguing this point at all? because the majority is having a kneejerk, bigoted reaction, that makes it right? it's why you're supposed to use logic, not feelings. now, if osama bin laden wanted to build a place for his followers a couple blocks from ground zero, i can see having an issue. people not breaking the law and wanting to practice their religion peacably should be left alone. my god, we sound like hateful religions zealots on this issue-you know like the enemy...some righteous line being taken on this matter, it's embarrassing. are we not smart enough to know where a line is crossed? building a mosque is crossing a line?