Obama's support for Ground Zero Mosque

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

If it gets built my hope is that something happens to the building. If that happens hopefully there will be no one in the mosque. Just like the moron is kissing Mexico's @ss, he will kiss the Muslims @ss'.

i find your comments on this to be disgusting. people who commit criminal acts should be treated as needed. those who happen to belong to the same religion as a criminal shouldn't be painted with the same brush.
i'm unsure of what religion tim mcveigh and his accomplice were, but i believe both were of a christian belief. if the church they belonged to wanted to build within two blocks of the murrah building, would you care? i doubt it.


we as a country cannot and should not change our behaviors based on the actions of some bad people. that would be so wrong, and so counter to what we are supposed to stand for.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i find your comments on this to be disgusting. people who commit criminal acts should be treated as needed. those who happen to belong to the same religion as a criminal shouldn't be painted with the same brush.
i'm unsure of what religion tim mcveigh and his accomplice were, but i believe both were of a christian belief. if the church they belonged to wanted to build within two blocks of the murrah building, would you care? i doubt it.


we as a country cannot and should not change our behaviors based on the actions of some bad people. that would be so wrong, and so counter to what we are supposed to stand for.

He has a good point, I don't think that any churches should be able to built right near where Dr. George Tiller was murdered by a Christian.....oh, wait, that happened in a church, nevermind.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i find your comments on this to be disgusting. people who commit criminal acts should be treated as needed. those who happen to belong to the same religion as a criminal shouldn't be painted with the same brush.
i'm unsure of what religion tim mcveigh and his accomplice were, but i believe both were of a christian belief. if the church they belonged to wanted to build within two blocks of the murrah building, would you care? i doubt it.


we as a country cannot and should not change our behaviors based on the actions of some bad people. that would be so wrong, and so counter to what we are supposed to stand for.

btw
he had help from Muslims

[AeWingnut]

we're not the problem. If the City can stop an adult book store from opening in a given location they can tell a cult they can't build 2 blocks from ground zero.

ah see a growin pattern hea

[Riot]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

we're not the problem. If the City can stop an adult book store from opening in a given location they can tell a cult they can't build 2 blocks from ground zero.

Cult? No more a cult - and a sometimes violent, "hate towards others" cult - than Christianity is.

Americans who are Muslim have been an integral part of that neighborhood well before WTC was built. Other Americans are trying to prevent their freedom to continue living their lives there. That's not gonna happen in this country. Thank god.

Allahu Akbar!

All hail the flying spaghetti monster!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Allahu Akbar!

All hail the flying spaghetti monster!

and invisible pink unicorns...

[Riot]

Here, Wing, some more images for you

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Riot

Cult? No more a cult - and a sometimes violent, "hate towards others" cult - than Christianity is.

Americans who are Muslim have been an integral part of that neighborhood well before WTC was built. Other Americans are trying to prevent their freedom to continue living their lives there. That's not gonna happen in this country. Thank god.

so, you want to live under sharia law?

[Cannon Shell]

What the people who try to act as though Muslims are getting a bad deal in this country seem to forget that most Americans didn't give a damn about Muslims or Mosques until Muslims attacked our country in the name of Islam. We all know that most muslims aren't terrorists yet we are routinely threatened by some radical Islamic group using Islam or some perceived insult to Islam as the basis of their threats. The threats have become so common that they are hardly even newsworthy outside of Al-Jeezra. Trying to say that they were there before 9/11 seems a little ridiclous in light of ...uh 9/11?

And if Islam is such as wonderful and peaceful religion then why are virtually all Muslim countries the epitome of intolerence and in constant upheaval? Why do authors or people who draw cartoons that "insult" Islam (even if the insult is something that only an idiot would let bother them) have to live in fear of Muslim retribution? Why are muslim terrorists in the middle east, south east Asia, Turkey, N Africa, Russia, etc so prevalent? Let me ask all those defenders of the peaceful Muslim, would you feel comfortable visiting let alone buliding a christian church in Yemen, Somolia, Iraq, Turkey, Kashmir, the Phillipines, Pakistan, The gaza strip, Indonesia, Lebanion, Algeria, Pakistan or some other country that is a Muslim state?

I am not saying that they don't have a "right" to build a mosque there. But wouldn't a peace loving, tolerant religion like we are being told Islam is, be a little more compassionate and understanding to the feelings of the people of NY and build their mosque a little further away from ground zero?

Well I guess that wouldn't be generating the headlines they apparently were looking for.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

My first thought was ... if they already have a mosque currently built that's four blocks from ground zero - why do they need one two blocks from ground zero?

But, I remembered that we have at least one church on every block in this friggen city - and I can't tell you how many times I've been awaken out of sound sleep by those god damn annoying church bells and their stupid hourly clock.

What can I do about it? Go over at 3AM and shoot a wad onto that virgen Mary statue by the enterance?

I don't like religions of any name - I don't like houses of worship of any kind - but I don't see who it hurts to have a muslim house of worship two blocks away.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What the people who try to act as though Muslims are getting a bad deal in this country seem to forget that most Americans didn't give a damn about Muslims or Mosques until Muslims attacked our country in the name of Islam..

Terrorists attacked this country. Not "Muslims".

And if Christianity is such as wonderful and peaceful religion then why are virtually all Christian countries the epitome of intolerence?

FTFY

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What the people who try to act as though Muslims are getting a bad deal in this country seem to forget that most Americans didn't give a damn about Muslims or Mosques until Muslims attacked our country in the name of Islam.

It was when Obama taught us Muslims invented everything from algebra to the pen.

oops and lets not forget about music and musical instruments

[Riot]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

so, you want to live under sharia law?

If you seriously think that Americans are trying to overthrow the government, get rid of the Constitution, and replace it with their personal religious philosophy, you'd probably best just give up now, move into the bunker, and succumb to the xenophobic fear.

We'll call you when Sarah Palin is out of politics

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you seriously think that Americans are trying to overthrow the government, get rid of the Constitution, and replace it with their personal religious philosophy, you'd probably best just give up now,

It's only the minority. You, the President and about 30 some other percent who are trying to replace it with their personal religious philosophy etc etc.

Thank God Americans (as a majority) have some common sense and are against you, the Pres and 30 some other percent (of lord only knows what.) but let us not forget the voice of the illegals!!!!!!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

btw
he had help from Muslims

so, therefore all are bad. how utterly ridiculous.
good people do not change how they behave because of the actions of a few others. if you do that, you are reducing yourself. is this what we want? we are suddenly to turn our backs because of the actions of a few radicals? innocent muslims lost their lives that day on 9/11. but i guess that doesn't matter, they were obviously terrorists as well, simply because they share osama bin ladens religion? i think that's bull.

[Danzig]

i read yesterday that muslims in this country are being cautious this year about their ramadan religious festivities, as part of their holiday could fall on 9/11. they're scaling back on their usual activities, or even putting part of their usual happenings on other days, to avoid any thoughts by others that they are being uncaring about 9/11. yep, sounds like a bunch of terrorists to me.

yep, did a search and here's a link:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religio...Top+Stories%29

Moghul said most New York Muslims likely won't celebrate the way they normally do, and noted that a significant number lost relatives when the World Trade Center was destroyed. Many imams in the city plan sermons on dealing with loss and grief.

"It's a very painful day for everyone," Moghul said.

However, he and other American Muslim leaders don't want to make so many changes that they appear to be giving in to those who reject any Muslim observance in the United States. Some critics have said Muslims should move the date of the eid.

"It's like being offended that 9/11 and Christmas fall on the same day," said Safaa Zarzour, secretary general of the Islamic Society of North America, an Indiana-based communal group with tens of thousands of members. "There is something unsettling about that."

Yvonne Maffei, 35, of Des Plaines, Ill., a Chicago suburb, said she and her husband plan to stick with their usual Eid al-Fitr plan. They will attend morning prayers at their local mosque, go out for brunch then visit friends during the day.

"I think most Americans understand the value and place of religious holidays in a person's life," said Maffei, editor of My Halal Kitchen, a blog with recipes that meet Islamic dietary laws. "For those who don't, I just hope they will take the time to try and understand not only why we are celebrating at this time, but also what we are celebrating, which is the end of the holy month of Ramadan, a blessed month of fasting and attaining closeness to Allah."

[timmgirvan]

I think its bull that 3000 people died on one day because "true believers" listened to a madman and committed a horrendous crime!...and continue to do various acts against innocents because of their twisted views.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I think its bull that 3000 people died on one day because "true believers" listened to a madman and committed a horrendous crime!...and continue to do various acts against innocents because of their twisted views.

i agree. what that has to do with building a mosque i don't know.

also, islam is perhaps 1% of our entire population, i don't see them 'taking over' any time soon. our very freedom of religion that many are currently trying to ignore in this situation will prevent any 'taking over' by this religion in future.
it's funny...you see criminal acts perpetrated by christians, yet no one ever goes nuts about a church being built nearby...when a christian kills people, it's a crime, a rampage, a shooting spree. crosses are erected in memory, no problem. when three thousand people are killed in a criminal act in new york city, it's a religious war. when the fed building got blown up in oklahoma, it had no religious connotations at all. the perpetrators weren't different, so they weren't 'them'. now, it's 'them' vs 'us'. it's ok for george bush to say god told him to attack, but we sure have a problem with anyone saying a thing about allah.

as for those who say there was no condemnation by muslims about 9/11 or terrorism, i did a search-not that i think you'll go to this link and check out all the cited sources.

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php