8/14 (SAR): Sword Dancer Invitational S. (G1)

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

It isn't the Million, that's for sure but I look at it as a solid betting race.

Solid betting race and solid group are 2 totally different things. This race is HORRIBLE, but it might be a good betting race.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Solid betting race and solid group are 2 totally different things. This race is HORRIBLE, but it might be a good betting race.

Bearpath...heavy

Not as heavy as you or me...but heavy..

[the_fat_man]

What, no turf sprinter, that's never gone beyond 6F, in here? Seems to me, he'd be able to set 27 55, ... fractions are win for fun. With the boys sitting chilly behind him, 4 across, waiting to make a last run.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Solid betting race and solid group are 2 totally different things. This race is HORRIBLE, but it might be a good betting race.

Sorry I don't think its horrible at all.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Sorry I don't think its horrible at all.

I don't think it is either. It clearly isn't the greatest G1 in the world, and maybe my standards have become watered down by the overall quality in the sport these days, but this race doesn't look horrible to me.

You have last year's winner.
You have the '07/'08 winner.
You have Marlang, Al Khali, and Grassy - all of whom ran well over the course last year, and all of whom come into the race off of victories.
You have Marsh Side and Interpretation who are both G1 winners at this distance.
And you have Expansion coming in off consecutive on-the-board finishes in G1 turf events.

Especially given that this race always splits the division with the Arlington Million, I don't think it is that bad.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I don't think it is either. It clearly isn't the greatest G1 in the world, and maybe my standards have become watered down by the overall quality in the sport these days, but this race doesn't look horrible to me.

You have last year's winner.
You have the '07/'08 winner.
You have Marlang, Al Khali, and Grassy - all of whom ran well over the course last year, and all of whom come into the race off of victories.
You have Marsh Side and Interpretation who are both G1 winners at this distance.
And you have Expansion coming in off consecutive on-the-board finishes in G1 turf events.

Especially given that this race always splits the division with the Arlington Million, I don't think it is that bad.

I don't think it is bad either. Considering what's available in this division, the group is pretty good. That's part of the reason why the Euros come here and kick our ass almost every year in the BC Turf, we don't have 12 furlong turf horses anymore.

If you think about the Sword Dancer, the last five winners are Telling, Grand Couturier (2x), Go Deputy, and King's Drama. Those horses were hardly ever legitimate GI caliber horses in races like the BC Turf. Why should this year's field be any different?

NT

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I don't think it is bad either. Considering what's available in this division, the group is pretty good. That's part of the reason why the Euros come here and kick our ass almost every year in the BC Turf, we don't have 12 furlong turf horses anymore.

If you think about the Sword Dancer, the last five winners are Telling, Grand Couturier (2x), Go Deputy, and King's Drama. Those horses were hardly ever legitimate GI caliber horses in races like the BC Turf. Why should this year's field be any different?

NT

lets call a spade a spade... Maybe we have seen 5 decent US based turfers in the last 7 years.. The stock is gone and it is never coming back..

Artie
E Channel
Kitten
The Brazilian Frankel leroy, I dont count..who else?

Who else has been decent? Courageous cat and Minute Mouse?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by freddymo

lets call a spade a spade... Maybe we have seen 5 decent US based turfers in the last 7 years.. The stock is gone and it is never coming back..

Artie
E Channel
Kitten
The Brazilian Frankel leroy, I dont count..who else?

Who else has been decent? Courageous cat and Minute Mouse?

Cacique was decent.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by GPK

Cacique was decent.

Cacique is Hasili and Hasili is hardly US based? Intercontinental,banks, HH, and Champs, didnt suck either!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by freddymo

lets call a spade a spade... Maybe we have seen 5 decent US based turfers in the last 7 years.. The stock is gone and it is never coming back..

Artie
E Channel
Kitten
The Brazilian Frankel leroy, I dont count..who else?

Who else has been decent? Courageous cat and Minute Mouse?

Shakespeare
Daytona
English channel
Kip deville

[NTamm1215]

No love for Better Talk Now? If you take out 2008-2009 the three year run he went on from 2004-2007 was strong. He won the Sword Dancer, Man O War, BC Turf, UN, finished 2nd in the BC Turf again and the Manhattan.

NT