Raw Talent... - Page 4

Athletics005 · #61 08-11-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

No love for Invasor? Travels from Uruguay to the US, to Dubai, back to US, back to Dubai. Unbeaten in the Western Hemisphere. Made Bernardini look one-paced in the BC Classic. Or are only front-running/right off the lead sorts the only ones who have 'raw talent?'

Invasor is surely one the most easily forgotten solid horses, but he doesn't really jump out at me when I think raw talent. If anything, he seems like a horses that got EVERYTHING out the talent he did have. He brought it everytime. If some of the other horses on this list had that quality they would have been all-time greats.

Athletics005 · #62 08-11-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I loved Fu Peg. Big Brown SUCKED.

I don't understand at all your hatred towards Big Brown and love towards borrego. One actually had a decent about of raw talent and it wasn't Borrego.

You have Eskendreya on your list who is by far the most comparable horse to Big Brown. Both with ultra impressive prep races over pathetic competition. Similar beyers, trips, etc/ The only difference is Big Brown actually won the Kentucky Derby in style (4 wide all around). I think your judging BB on what happened after the derby where for whatever reason he wasn't the same horse (but the raw talent was there).

RockHardTen1985 · #63 08-11-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Athletics005

I don't understand at all your hatred towards Big Brown and love towards borrego. One actually had a decent about of raw talent and it wasn't Borrego.

You have Eskendreya on your list who is by far the most comparable horse to Big Brown. Both with ultra impressive prep races over pathetic competition. Similar beyers, trips, etc/ The only difference is Big Brown actually won the Kentucky Derby in style (4 wide all around). I think your judging BB on what happened after the derby where for whatever reason he wasn't the same horse (but the raw talent was there).

Borrego ran 2 really good races, one giant visually impressive race.
He is not really on my list, but I just mentioned him when someone brought up Bellamy Road.
Eskendereya IMO would have CRUSHED BIG BROWN.

The Indomitable DrugS · #64 08-11-2010, 12:50 PM

Borrego wasn't that much and certainly not a raw talent.

His big race was an optical illusion aided by a very strong pace. The final half mile was like almost 52 seconds.

RockHardTen1985 · #65 08-11-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Borrego wasn't that much and certainly not a raw talent.

His big race was an optical illusion aided by a very strong pace. The final half mile was like almost 52 seconds.

Ok. I guess the Pacific Classic was nothing...
With the **** we have saw the past few years no less.

Athletics005 · #66 08-11-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Borrego ran 2 really good races, one giant visually impressive race.
He is not really on my list, but I just mentioned him when someone brought up Bellamy Road.
Eskendereya IMO would have CRUSHED BIG BROWN.

Being the most visually most impressive (in which Borrego would no doubt qualify) doesn't equate to raw talent. I think most would agree the reason it was SO visually impressive in the JCGC was because of the trip he got. That's why no one is awarding a great like sinister minister any raw talent award for his heavily aided blue grass win.

I think Eskendereya was extremely talented, and the 3 year old division still hasn't found anything with half the ability he has, but to say he would have CRUSHED Big Brown is awfully bold considering how similarly their careers began.

The Indomitable DrugS · #67 08-11-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Ok. I guess the Pacific Classic was nothing...
With the **** we have saw the past few years no less.

That was another melt down race - they went 22 and change and 45 and change at 10fs and he basically outfinished Perfect Drift and beat PD by like a half.

Borrego was like an older horse version of an Ice Box or Giacomo.

RockHardTen1985 · #68 08-11-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That was another melt down race - they went 22 and change and 45 and change at 10fs and he basically outfinished Perfect Drift and beat PD by like a half.

Borrego was like an older horse version of an Ice Box or Giacomo.

Ok.

The Indomitable DrugS · #69 08-11-2010, 01:17 PM

Here's a race for you to handicap PG'85. Assume they're all healthy and run to form. Give me your trifecta.

Distance: 9 furlongs
Track: Saratoga
Surface: Dirt
Race Name: The Only Way Zenyatta is Beating Rachel in NY on Dirt Stakes

RockHardTen1985 · #70 08-11-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Here's a race for you to handicap PG'85. Assume they're all healthy and run to form. Give me your trifecta.

Distance: 9 furlongs
Track: Saratoga
Surface: Dirt
Race Name: The Only Way Zenyatta is Beating Rachel in NY on Dirt Stakes

Thats a sick race you put together, I would toss Bernardini out with Prado up.
So much speed, Z and maybe Victory Gallop? I dont know, what do you think? Is the track playing fair?
Narrow it down to a more reasonable BCC like 14. THen Ill give you the cold triple.

Scav · #71 08-11-2010, 01:28 PM

Tiznow, Dubai Millenium, Ghostzapper, Formal Gold tri and exacta box

miraja2 · #72 08-11-2010, 01:28 PM

Skip Away and Ghostzapper = top 2 spots
(3,5 / 1,3,5, / 1,3,5,8,13,16)

miraja2 · #73 08-11-2010, 01:33 PM

Caller One sets a fast pace and fades to last.
Zenyatta takes advantage of the fast early pace to pass Rachel and Azeri at the wire to nicely secure 23rd place.

Sightseek · #74 08-11-2010, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Caller One sets a fast pace and fades to last.
Zenyatta takes advantage of the fast early pace to pass Rachel and Azeri at the wire to nicely secure 23rd place.

You're crazy. Zenyatta is like the best horsey EVAH. She wouldn't even be asked and win in a gallop.

CSC · #75 08-11-2010, 01:42 PM

The first thing I notice is many of the past p's if not the majority are cut off at their best races? I want to see them all, nothing like a little slight of hand.