Saratoga 5th - No DQ?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Home vs. Away team.

Doesn't bother me because Plesa has a knack for burning my tickets up. Why he's at Toga can be chalked up to delusions of grandeur.

But some people on this board say that's crazy, that "stewards don't work like that."

Originally Posted by randallscott35

But some people on this board say that's crazy, that "stewards don't work like that."

Oh sure they don't. They are professionals.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The incident on the turn had absolutely no impact on the outcome of the race.

Why punish the bettors who played an 8/1 winner that was clearly best? Why punish the owner who paid all of the training bills?

Fine the jockey and give him days and be done with it. The idea that doing this will somehow lead to injuries is nonsense.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The incident on the turn had absolutely no impact on the outcome of the race.

Why punish the bettors who played an 8/1 winner that was clearly best?

Fine the jockey and give him days and be done with it. The idea that doing this will somehow lead to injuries is nonsense.

If that's your POV that's fine, it's consistency that bettors want

[CSC]

The precedent has been set, let's hope no one gets hurt out there and decisions will be consistent from here on in. If they do DQ someone for something similar you can bet the bettors will remember this day.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

If that's your POV that's fine, it's consistency that bettors want

Yes - you prefer consistency ... although if the winner does that - and the horse it fouls is beaten a head for 3rd place .. it's a DQ because it cost a horse a placing...and than you feel the pain of the bettor who played the best horse at 8/1 - or the owner who paid 2K a month in training bills and gets placed 4th with the best horse.

If the incident has no impact at all on the outcome in any way shape or form ... don't change it and fine the jockey and give him days.

[CSC]

If anything I would have DQ'd Bridgmohan just for riding so pathetically, he had the best horse in the race, but he negotiated the turn/split like a 10lb apprentice would. For a journeyman jock that has been around as long as he has, it was not a good effort.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

His caliber?

There are about 4.5 jocks in the country who can make a positive impact most of the time. After that you have another several hundred meat and potato guys spread throughout the country who - in general - aren't separated by much ability wise...they're merely separated by the opportunities they get.

After that class, you have the guys who could stop the Yankees.

No factor in handicapping is more overrated than the jockey factor.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes - you prefer consistency ... although if the winner does that - and the horse it fouls is beaten a head for 3rd place .. it's a DQ because it cost a horse a placing...and than you feel the pain of the bettor who played the best horse at 8/1 - or the owner who paid 2K a month in training bills and gets placed 4th with the best horse.

If the incident has no impact at all on the outcome in any way shape or form ... don't change it and fine the jockey and give him days.

exactly! the owner, trainer shouldn't be penalized if the jock's an idiot. penalize the jock, give him incentive to do things right.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes - you prefer consistency ... although if the winner does that - and the horse it fouls is beaten a head for 3rd place .. it's a DQ because it cost a horse a placing...and than you feel the pain of the bettor who played the best horse at 8/1 - or the owner who paid 2K a month in training bills and gets placed 4th with the best horse.

If the incident has no impact at all on the outcome in any way shape or form ... don't change it and fine the jockey and give him days.

$2k a month in training bills? It's more like $3.5k-$4k a month at the big tracks when you include the vet bills. Most guys charge $85-$90 a day. The top guys charge $105-$110 a day. At $90 a day, it costs you $2,700 a month not including the vet bill. The vet bill wil be at least $800 a month. So you're usually looking at a minimum of around $3,500 a month at the big tracks.

With regard to the race in question, I didn't see it and I'm too lazy to watch it right now. But in general, I agree with you. I am more of a proponent of fining the jock and giving him days rather than disqualifying the horse in most cases similar to this.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

$2k a month in training bills? It's more like $3.5k-$4k a month at the big tracks when you include the vet bills. Most guys charge $85-$90 a day. The top guys charge $105-$110 a day. At $90 a day, it costs you $2,700 a month not including the vet bill. The vet bill wil be at least $800 a month. So you're usually looking at a minimum of around $3,500 a month at the big tracks.

Jamie Ness is $50 a day - which comes out to $1,500 a month on day rate - and he's 3rd in the nation in wins behind Asmussen and Pletcher.

If you're spending 3.5 to 4K a month in training bills on a Maiden 20 claimer .. you're hopeless.