Good God

[PatCummings]

Comparing it to the other 12 furlong race should be in the context that the last race of the day was a Class 4, restricted to 3YO. Not a stellar bunch, but not awful.

[pba1817]

He ran in that spot cause he was afraid of Rachel...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Comparing it to the other 12 furlong race should be in the context that the last race of the day was a Class 4, restricted to 3YO. Not a stellar bunch, but not awful.

I was just comparing the final times. Obviously it couldn't have been a field of world beaters to say the least.

The winner of the Group 1 ran 60 Beyer points faster than the winner of that class 4.

He ran 20 points (11 lengths at 12 furlongs on Turf) faster than the 2nd place finisher... a last out Irish Derby winner.

There's absolutely no way the winner didn't run at least a 120 Beyer - and he probably ran a 125 or faster. That was without a doubt one of the greatest performances in the history of horse racing.

When Twice Over won the Group 1 Coral Eclipse last week - he went the distance in 2:04.64. That same exact day and at the same distance .. a Class 4, restricted to 3YO went in 2:06.77 and was also won by a male.

So .. in Twice Over's case - you have a Group 1 winner running 2.13 seconds faster than a Class 4 3yo handicap winner on the same card. The spread in final time between those two class levels yesterday was an insane 5.41 seconds.

This absolutely has the look of a 125 Beyer or higher race - which is close to impossible on turf. It's impossible.

I'm going to assume the last out Irish Derby winner who finished 2nd by 11 lengths ran a 105 yesterday.

I'm going to assume that Youmzain ran a 98 while finishing 3rd by 14.5 lengths. He's an older male who's made over $6 million in his career. He always fires and he was 2nd by a nose in a Group 1 at the distance 4 weeks ago. He's been in the exacta 3 straight years in the Arc.

I'm going to assume Daryakana ran a 98. This horse is a Group 1 winner who had never been beaten more than a 1.5 lengths in an entire career. Was 4th beaten 14.5 lengths there.

I'm going to assume the supposed super horse Workforce ran a 94 Beyer. He won the English Derby by 7 lengths last time out. He was 5th beaten 17 lengths.

I'm going to assume Confront ran a 84 yesterday. He was a shorter price in the betting than both The Usual QT and Take The Points in a $5 million turf race in Dubai earlier in the year. He finished less than 4 lengths behind both of them in that race. He was last beaten 23 lengths yesterday.

I'm going to assume that the winner of the Class 4 3yo race at the same distance yesterday ran a 65 Beyer in victory. He's owned by Shiek Maktoum and is a son of Rahy with a lifetime record of 7-3-1-1. Despite the nice record, he's slower than most NY Bred maiden turfers in this country.

I hope this horse stays sound. No horse in history has ever won both the Arc and Breeders Cup Turf ... he's an absolute cinch to win both races if he holds together.