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Danzig · #1 07-20-2010, 03:24 PM

i think many of our choices for president the last few elections have been a huge disappointment. we're supposed to be the greatest country in the world-we had a choice of bush vs gore...bush vs kerry, and then mccain vs obama. that's the shame of it. i don't think it matters who won these last three votes, we were screwed either way.

timmgirvan · #2 07-20-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i think many of our choices for president the last few elections have been a huge disappointment. we're supposed to be the greatest country in the world-we had a choice of bush vs gore...bush vs kerry, and then mccain vs obama. that's the shame of it. i don't think it matters who won these last three votes, we were screwed either way.

I would say the mediocrity of our candidates comes from most of them arriving on the national scene from the same path.

GBBob · #3 07-20-2010, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i think many of our choices for president the last few elections have been a huge disappointment. we're supposed to be the greatest country in the world-we had a choice of bush vs gore...bush vs kerry, and then mccain vs obama. that's the shame of it. i don't think it matters who won these last three votes, we were screwed either way.

As an aside, why do so many people care that/if we are the "greatest country in the World"? In a lot of ways we are, but in a lot we aren't. So what?

Danzig · #4 07-20-2010, 03:42 PM

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As an aside, why do so many people care that/if we are the "greatest country in the World"? In a lot of ways we are, but in a lot we aren't. So what?

i'm just saying that if we are the greatest, why can't we get the greatest people to run it? we can't be great if we're run by mediocrities.

GBBob · #5 07-20-2010, 03:47 PM

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i'm just saying that if we are the greatest, why can't we get the greatest people to run it? we can't be great if we're run by mediocrities.

The President can only do so much..It's just the luck of the draw who happens to be in office during upswings and down swings. I personally think Reagan was a buffoon who was in the right place at the right time. Others say the same about Clinton. Ultimately, that's why I always vote for for a Liberal...the economy will swing back and forth almost imhune to who is Prez, but the Social issues ultimately controlled by the Supreme Court and by judges appointed by the President are what I want to affect.

Riot · #6 07-20-2010, 05:31 PM

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i'm just saying that if we are the greatest, why can't we get the greatest people to run it? we can't be great if we're run by mediocrities.

We've survived alot of mediocrities in high office over the past few hundred years - yet we grew to the greatest.

Antitrust32 · #7 07-20-2010, 06:16 PM

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We've survived alot of mediocrities in high office over the past few hundred years - yet we grew to the greatest.

miraja2 · #8 07-20-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

As an aside, why do so many people care that/if we are the "greatest country in the World"? In a lot of ways we are, but in a lot we aren't. So what?

I've never understood that either. It is the stupidest, most made-up title imaginable.

Antitrust32 · #9 07-20-2010, 03:48 PM

I dont know about others, but I am extremely proud to live in the "greatest country in the world". which it is, hands down.

no matter who in charge is screwing up the country, whether Repub, Dem, or Ross Perot, I will always have great pride in being an American.

The best thing that has ever happen to any one of us was being born in the land of the free & the home of the brave.

and for the question of "So What?" Many of our ansestors have fought til the death to give us our freedoms. Our country was founded for the greatest reasons and sets of ideals that have ever been known to man kind. That is the So What for me.

GBBob · #10 07-20-2010, 03:52 PM

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I dont know about others, but I am extremely proud to live in the "greatest country in the world". which it is, hands down.

no matter who in charge is screwing up the country, whether Repub, Dem, or Ross Perot, I will always have great pride in being an American.

The best thing that has ever happen to any one of us was being born in the land of the free & the home of the brave.

Lori...most of the World is the land of the free and the home of the brave..and with a lot more years of bravery to back them up. I disagree that's it's the best thing that ever happened to you, although that's your right to feel that way.

Antitrust32 · #11 07-20-2010, 03:57 PM

can you list a few of these countries that are better than the USA?

England? if they were so great we wouldnt have fought so hard to succeed from them.

France? If it wasnt for the USA, there would have been no more France in the 1940's.

I guess if you agree with socialism over capitalism, and think the reason to work hard is to be taxed hard, then yes, there are better countries out there.

miraja2 · #12 07-20-2010, 04:00 PM

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can you list a few of these countries that are better than the USA?

England? if they were so great we wouldnt have fought so hard to succeed from them.

France? If it wasnt for the USA, there would have been no more France in the 1940's.

I guess if you agree with socialism over capitalism, and think the reason to work hard is to be taxed hard, then yes, there are better countries out there.

Are you serious with this? I've rarely read a post where I honestly considered responding with every single available emoticon.

Antitrust32 · #13 07-20-2010, 04:03 PM

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Are you serious with this? I've rarely read a post where I honestly considered responding with every single available emoticon.

I'm dead fucl<ing serious.

And I am not at all ashamed of my pride for America.

GBBob · #14 07-20-2010, 04:03 PM

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can you list a few of these countries that are better than the USA?

England? if they were so great we wouldnt have fought so hard to succeed from them.

France? If it wasnt for the USA, there would have been no more France in the 1940's.

I guess if you agree with socialism over capitalism, and think the reason to work hard is to be taxed hard, then yes, there are better countries out there.

But what defines "better". I mean..gay rights? Um..not the US. Health Care..um..not the US. For me..Gun Control..not the US...Pro Choice...not the US,..Seperation of Church and State..not the US..Genocide on the Indians...there you go...US. I mean, these are random examples, and the US is a great country, but it's far down the list of reasons of the best things that ever happened to me.

Antitrust32 · #15 07-20-2010, 04:12 PM

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But what defines "better". I mean..gay rights? Um..not the US. Health Care..um..not the US. For me..Gun Control..not the US...Pro Choice...not the US,..Seperation of Church and State..not the US..Genocide on the Indians...there you go...US. I mean, these are random examples, and the US is a great country, but it's far down the list of reasons of the best things that ever happened to me.

Gay rights is a fairly new thing in this world.. & it wont be long until America is on the correct page with a lot of Europe on that.

Health Care.. thats a difficult topic. I'll take our doctors and hospitals with my insurance that I receive from working over any other countries health care system out there. The brightest minds in the world practice health care in the USA.

Gun Control.. personal opinions on that one.. I'm happy with the amendment on it.. though I do not believe the gang back in the 1700's new that we'd have fully automatic assualt rifles in the future.. and I agree with you about those types of weapons.

We have more of a Seperation of Church and State than people believe. Its probably the least thing to worry about. Though personally I'm down for a seperation of church and life.

Genocide on the Indians? I have no excuses for that, it is a disgusting part of our history that is rarely talked about.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #16 07-20-2010, 04:19 PM

[ but it's far down the list of reasons of the best things that ever happened to me.[/quote]

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Antitrust32 · #17 07-20-2010, 04:02 PM

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Lori...most of the World is the land of the free and the home of the brave..and with a lot more years of bravery to back them up. I disagree that's it's the best thing that ever happened to you, although that's your right to feel that way.

and there is no way that most of the world is the land of the free and the home of the brave.

If you would have said most of Europe.. I'd agree. Europe and the USA / Canada make up a pretty small chunk.

miraja2 · #18 07-20-2010, 03:56 PM

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The best thing that has ever happen to any one of us was being born in the land of the free & the home of the brave.

I feel really bad for immigrants to this country, or people who live in some other country....I guess they have to decide for themselves what the best thing to ever happen in their life will be. All of us who were born here don't have that pesky problem. We had the best thing that will ever happen to us happen in the very first second of our life.

Antitrust32 · #19 07-20-2010, 04:00 PM

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I feel really bad for immigrants to this country, or people who live in some other country....I guess they have to decide for themselves what the best thing to ever happen in their life will be. All of us who were born here don't have that pesky problem. We had the best thing that will ever happen to us happen in the very first second of our life.

i'm sure that the people born in South America, Africa, Asia, the middle East, Russia & parts of western Europe were all so lucky to be born there.

Go ahead and keep taking for granted all the opportunities we have here. Its not a big deal.. most people these days take it all for granted.