Beyer blasting NY racing on ATR

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I don't want to see racing go anywhere in Jersey. One of my favorite meets of the year was the Meadowlands fall thoroughbred meet. It sucks it's gone this year. What I was saying is Homer is saying he is a Monmouth guy, but wants to see a sustainable model.

Maybe the state will decide to give Monmouth another 50 million next year and do the same thing. But at this point IMO that seems like a longshot. I'm curious to see what happens when Saratoga opens. I do agree with Homer though that it will all come down to business.

The state didn't give Monmouth anything. The casinos gave Monmouth $10 million to let them keep their gaming monopoly in Jersey.

I think it'll happen again next year, when AC cracks and gives up the token hush dough again.

As for Saratoga- I am very concerned. It is my favorite place on the face of the earth and I have serious reservations about them having the horseflesh to put on a 6 day a week meet. There is just no good reason to run in NY right now, even at Saratoga. Will the bettors show up like they always do if there's more 5-6-7 horse fields with a big favorite? Will the Churchill shippers go that direction or to the Shore, or to (gasp) Philadelphia/Delaware?

[Danzig]

based on stall apps, it didn't sound like saratoga was having a hard time drawing horses.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

based on stall apps, it didn't sound like saratoga was having a hard time drawing horses.

I think Saratoga will be fine it is an island. NYRA really needs to run this place Memorial day to Labor day. I know the die-hards are against this but they should/will learn to adjust. Saratoga is the feature back and should get as many carries as possible.... Belmont 6 months/Saratoga 3 months and AQU 3 or 0 months.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Danzig

based on stall apps, it didn't sound like saratoga was having a hard time drawing horses.

like they ever will, they ship in all over, it does provide an illusion though that there is a thriving horse population to draw from.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

like they ever will, they ship in all over, it does provide an illusion though that there is a thriving horse population to draw from.

Isnt Rachel in one of those precious SPA stall's? I hear see loves TRAINING at SPA lol

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Isnt Rachel in one of those precious SPA stall's? I hear see loves TRAINING at SPA lol

You don't think she is running at the meet?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

You don't think she is running at the meet?

I don't.. I think MP will get her back for another BC prep.. They want to run every 5 weeks with her so her next start would be the last weekend in Aug. Monmouth can make the Molly Pitcher purse 750k and get her to run on the weekend after her 7/24 prep. Apparently Jess is playing by his on rules and MP seems to be his best partner in crime.

In a way things couldnt have turned out worse for racing with Zenyatta and Rachel NOT retiring. You had a great opportunity to promote the sport and truly get people pumped again. Instead we will have potentially a 1 race show down if either make it CD. Shame

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I don't.. I think MP will get her back for another BC prep.. They want to run every 5 weeks with her so her next start would be the last weekend in Aug. Monmouth can make the Molly Pitcher purse 750k and get her to run on the weekend after her 7/24 prep. Apparently Jess is playing by his on rules and MP seems to be his best partner in crime.

In a way things couldnt have turned out worse for racing with Zenyatta and Rachel NOT retiring. You had a great opportunity to promote the sport and truly get people pumped again. Instead we will have potentially a 1 race show down if either make it CD. Shame

you're probably dead right on that thought. jess choosing the ungraded race now, and they make it worth his while later. monmouth can also attempt to get their ungraded race graded next year when they go back and look at the field...

both rachel and zenyatta are accomplishing nothing this year, and doing nothing for racing. they may as well have retired them for all they're doing with them this year. what a waste.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I don't.. I think MP will get her back for another BC prep.. They want to run every 5 weeks with her so her next start would be the last weekend in Aug. Monmouth can make the Molly Pitcher purse 750k and get her to run on the weekend after her 7/24 prep. Apparently Jess is playing by his on rules and MP seems to be his best partner in crime.

In a way things couldnt have turned out worse for racing with Zenyatta and Rachel NOT retiring. You had a great opportunity to promote the sport and truly get people pumped again. Instead we will have potentially a 1 race show down if either make it CD. Shame

I think she is a lock to run in the Personal Ensign if she runs well at Monmouth. Who is there to avoid, even at 10f?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by philcski

The state didn't give Monmouth anything. The casinos gave Monmouth $10 million to let them keep their gaming monopoly in Jersey.

I think it'll happen again next year, when AC cracks and gives up the token hush dough again.

As for Saratoga- I am very concerned. It is my favorite place on the face of the earth and I have serious reservations about them having the horseflesh to put on a 6 day a week meet. There is just no good reason to run in NY right now, even at Saratoga. Will the bettors show up like they always do if there's more 5-6-7 horse fields with a big favorite? Will the Churchill shippers go that direction or to the Shore, or to (gasp) Philadelphia/Delaware?

Come on Phil, you know what I am saying. There really is no point of you and I having this discussion again. We've had it and we don't see eye to eye.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Come on Phil, you know what I am saying. There really is no point of you and I having this discussion again. We've had it and we don't see eye to eye.

You said the state gave them $50 million. I corrected you, because they didn't. The casinos gave them monopoly hush money. That is all I had to say.

I am not arguing this thing anymore because clearly people won't change their stance, including you.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by philcski

You said the state gave them $50 million. I corrected you, because they didn't. The casinos gave them monopoly hush money. That is all I had to say.

I am not arguing this thing anymore because clearly people won't change their stance, including you.

Actually jms made the 50 million by the state comment. I repeated it.

I get it, you love Monmouth and despise anything NYRA these days. You're a less angry version of The Closeted Man. But spare me the change their stance nonsense. Because you are as closed minded as it comes.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Actually jms made the 50 million by the state comment. I repeated it.

I get it, you love Monmouth and despise anything NYRA these days. You're a less angry version of The Closeted Man. But spare me the change their stance nonsense. Because you are as closed minded as it comes.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

You couldn't be more wrong.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by philcski

Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

You couldn't be more wrong.

You can pretend you aren't but I don't need to put the words into your mouth. Take a look at what you say. Everything is a thinly veiled criticism. Saying "I'm a NY guy" before a slam doesn't change what you are really saying.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You can pretend you aren't but I don't need to put the words into your mouth. Take a look at what you say. Everything is a thinly veiled criticism. Saying "I'm a NY guy" before a slam doesn't change what you are really saying.

Sure. Keep fishing for a confrontation. Maybe they'll bite over at PA this afternoon.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You can pretend you aren't but I don't need to put the words into your mouth. Take a look at what you say. Everything is a thinly veiled criticism. Saying "I'm a NY guy" before a slam doesn't change what you are really saying.

He is a reverse Byk. But of course I am the only person in the entire world that has that opinion per Steve.