Beyer blasting NY racing on ATR

jms62 · #1 07-09-2010, 10:43 AM

Loves the Monmouth meet though...

RockHardTen1985 · #2 07-09-2010, 10:45 AM

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Loves the Monmouth meet though...

This could lead to a big fallout.

Princess Doreen · #3 07-09-2010, 10:45 AM

How to win friends.... NOT!

randallscott35 · #4 07-09-2010, 10:45 AM

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This could lead to a big fallout.

How so?

johnny pinwheel · #5 07-09-2010, 10:47 AM

yup, we really needed that pointed out.......full fields, good horses, jockies and trainers versus 5 horse fields....i would of never guessed without him running his mouth.

RockHardTen1985 · #6 07-09-2010, 10:47 AM

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How so?

A lot of people who defend Beyer on a regular basis around here and especially on PA totally stand behind NY racing and NYRA.

jms62 · #7 07-09-2010, 10:48 AM

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This could lead to a big fallout.

Note it is Belmont... Saratoga is a different animal.

jms62 · #8 07-09-2010, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

yup, we really needed that pointed out.......full fields, good horses, jockies and trainers versus 5 horse fields....i would of never guessed without him running his mouth.

When we bring it up here we are routinely blasted.

randallscott35 · #9 07-09-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

A lot of people who defend Beyer on a regular basis around here and especially on PA totally stand behind NY racing and NYRA.

Why aren't people simply allowed to have an opinion? It isn't about defending him anymore than anyone else. For my money Beyer at least makes coherent arguments while guests like Davidowitz don't know what planet they are on.

#10 07-09-2010, 10:55 AM

Most of the horses in NY aren't good. I don't get sitting them out 6-8 weeks per race. It's not like most of them improve due to the rest. And quite frankly if they can't run every 21-35 days then maybe they shouldn't be running at all.

jms62 · #11 07-09-2010, 10:57 AM

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Most of the horses in NY aren't good. I don't get sitting them out 6-8 weeks per race. It's not like most of them improve due to the rest. And quite frankly if they can't run every 21-35 days then maybe they shouldn't be running at all.

Coach I have said this before the worst thing that ever happened to Belmont/Aqueduct was Ernie P getting busted.

#12 07-09-2010, 10:59 AM

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Coach I have said this before the worst thing that ever happened to Belmont/Aqueduct was Ernie P getting busted.

I know this is radical thinking but if you boot the ones who aren't running enough then eventually you will get trainers who will run their horses and the local owners will be forced to move their horses to them.

CSC · #13 07-09-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

yup, we really needed that pointed out.......full fields, good horses, jockies and trainers versus 5 horse fields....i would of never guessed without him running his mouth.

Belmont and Aqueduct are boring to me, Saratoga is the exception. Even some NY racing fans have admitted that Monmouth this year offers a much better alternative than Belmont from what I have read. I haven't heard the interview but I'm just glad Beyer added validity to what many already know, that there is something wrong with NY racing for the casual fan, the hardcore N.Y player that will stick with it through thick and thin but perhaps this can be a catalyst to shaking things up.

johnny pinwheel · #14 07-09-2010, 11:22 AM

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Belmont and Aqueduct are boring to me, Saratoga is the exception. Even some NY racing fans have admitted that Monmouth this year offers a much better alternative than Belmont from what I have read. I haven't heard the interview but I'm just glad Beyer added validity to what many already know, that there is something wrong with NY racing for the casual fan, the hardcore N.Y player that will stick with it through thick and thin but perhaps this can be a catalyst to shaking things up.

how does he add validity to common sense if you like to bet horses? i am a NY bettor and it did not take this many weeks to figure this out.(most knew what was coming when monmouth announced) i still do better at belmont, its just not as interesting. the favorites in Ny are many times, way over bet. like those goofy numbers are valid too. they are for lazy people that can't watch a race or rate classes of horses by actually reading the form.

CSC · #15 07-09-2010, 11:28 AM

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how does he add validity to common sense if you like to bet horses? i am a NY bettor and it did not take this many weeks to figure this out.(most knew what was coming when monmouth announced) i still do better at belmont, its just not as interesting. the favorites in Ny are many times, way over bet. like those goofy numbers are valid too. they are for lazy people that can't watch a race or rate classes of horses by actually reading the form.

When someone of Beyer's influence in the game says he likes what is happening with Monmouth this year, it adds validity to what they are doing with their racing model. I can only speak for myself but I am far more interested in betting Monmouth this year due to the changes. As you stated yourself, bigger fields, big purses, big name connections, jocks, what is there not to like?

the_fat_man · #16 07-09-2010, 11:31 AM

Track monogamy is about as antiquated in the present period as playing pic 3's/4's/6's is. The idea is to get what you want, i.e. ADVANTAGEOUS PLAYS, from a whole bunch of tracks. That's what I do. And my thread yesterday was all about this: the fact that on a Thursday, in the summer, so many of the larger tracks were CLOSED, leaving me with pretty much nothing to do but squeeze TWO plays out of the pitiful BEL card. YET, today/tomorrow/sunday, I'll have my hands full with all the tracks operating at pretty much the same time. Certainly not the best way to market the game in the present era.