Monmouth handle & attendance

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I don't doubt your ability. I just get tired of the same nonsense posts here.

I'm here solely to entertain myself ... not you.

For me, this is like masturbation in a way.


Sorry you had to find out this way.

[cmorioles]

While showing a profit at PID is respectable, lets put it in perspective. Absolutely no serious players are wagering there. The pools are non-existent, especially the win pools. If Albert Pujols played AA ball, he'd bat .500 and win the Triple Crown. Nobody would give a damn.

Did you really take time off for a few months to come back with more penis and jerk off jokes?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

While showing a profit at PID is respectable, lets put it in perspective. Absolutely no serious players are wagering there. The pools are non-existent, especially the win pools. If Albert Pujols played AA ball, he'd bat .500 and win the Triple Crown. Nobody would give a damn.

Very few people would care even if it was something done at a major circuit - where I don't disagree it would be harder to do.

Having to make selections for every single race - 24 hours in advance - before scratches and without seeing odds ... it's a lot like asking a hitter to swing at every single pitch thrown in every at-bat ... or asking an offense to run a scripted set of plays without having the ability to audible and adjust for defensive schemes, looks, and formations.

No matter what track you're playing - you're placed at a signifcant disadvantage in terms of producing profit when you're denied the ability to pass a race or adjust to situations and current odds.

You're wired a whole lot better than me - but I'd like to see how you would handle a person who runs a racetrack basically telling you that you aren't on par as a handicapper with a ditzy girl who has confused Delaware Park's track symbol in the form, with that of Delta Downs on more than one occasion. That you're handicapping is not on par with a guy who makes a horse off a 7 year layoff, for a 1-for-40 trainer, 3/1 on the morning line. And why this conclusion? Because you're so young and you're local... which is like supposed to translate to 'you can't possibly know anything about anything'

I can't imagine anyone as bitter about the lack of recognition or respect recieved in terms of how complete they are as a handicapper.

I think there are a few guys who are as good - and some of those probably even better - in terms of playing for profit. But that's an entirely different animal than being complete.

I'll spend hours of really breaking down trainers, horses, races, post positions stats, etc of obscure tracks I don't ever intend to play. I'll spend hours of researching time periods that have passed, some have long passed. I'll spend hundreds of hours over the course of a year working on stuff that will gain me an edge on rare occasions that I know others aren't going to bother with.

I think that stuff comes at the expense of short term profits you can make if all that focus was directed that way instead. I'd rather know a little more than maybe put myself in position to bank a little more.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think that stuff comes at the expense of short term profits you can make if all that focus was directed that way instead. I'd rather know a little more than maybe put myself in position to bank a little more.

Like I said in my other post, I know you are a good handicapper, I'm just saying the PID thing probably isn't worth the badge of honor you make it out to be.

As for the other part, I'll take the money. This game is mostly all short term...it constantly changes. When synthetics came out, you could make a killing betting turf horses with good figures. It doesn't work any longer. If you go back and study it over the last five years, it is profitable. But the last 18 months, you would lose.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

While showing a profit at PID is respectable, lets put it in perspective. Absolutely no serious players are wagering there. The pools are non-existent, especially the win pools. If Albert Pujols played AA ball, he'd bat .500 and win the Triple Crown. Nobody would give a damn.

Did you really take time off for a few months to come back with more penis and jerk off jokes?

That sucks. I thought I was doing good by turning a profit at the track I play, but I guess not. No "serious players are wagering there", the "pools are non-existent" and nobody gives a damn about the place.

****. I'd better get cracking on 'capping bigger tracks.

I thought DrugS was serious about his penis and jerking off, thanks for clearing up the fact that he is only joking.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

That sucks. I thought I was doing good by turning a profit at the track I play, but I guess not. No "serious players are wagering there", the "pools are non-existent" and nobody gives a damn about the place.

****. I'd better get cracking on 'capping bigger tracks.

I thought DrugS was serious about his penis and jerking off, thanks for clearing up the fact that he is only joking.

lol

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

That sucks. I thought I was doing good by turning a profit at the track I play, but I guess not. No "serious players are wagering there", the "pools are non-existent" and nobody gives a damn about the place.

****. I'd better get cracking on 'capping bigger tracks.

I thought DrugS was serious about his penis and jerking off, thanks for clearing up the fact that he is only joking.

If you are turning a profit at a small track, great. I bet small tracks all the time. However, even the small tracks have bigger pools than PID. Nobody can make any real money over time there, because there is none in the pools. Stevie Wonder can see that. It doesn't mean DrugS isn't a good handicapper, not even close. I could show a monstrous ROI on paper on races here in Oklahoma on at Will Rogers Downs and Fair Meadows, but that is a far cry from winning real money.

As for the penis jokes, maybe you guys could PM each other pictures of each others cocks and have a grand old time. Personally, I think it is pretty childish and I can't believe Steve allows it. It ruins a lot of threads around here.

Originally Posted by cmorioles

As for the penis jokes, maybe you guys could PM each other pictures of each others cocks and have a grand old time. Personally, I think it is pretty childish and I can't believe Steve allows it. It ruins a lot of threads around here.

Yeah because there have never been any ruined threads by over-moderating at PA.

And this post will probably be deleted because heaven forbid you guys receive any criticism.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

If you are turning a profit at a small track, great. I bet small tracks all the time. However, even the small tracks have bigger pools than PID. Nobody can make any real money over time there, because there is none in the pools. Stevie Wonder can see that. It doesn't mean DrugS isn't a good handicapper, not even close. I could show a monstrous ROI on paper on races here in Oklahoma on at Will Rogers Downs and Fair Meadows, but that is a far cry from winning real money.

As for the penis jokes, maybe you guys could PM each other pictures of each others cocks and have a grand old time. Personally, I think it is pretty childish and I can't believe Steve allows it. It ruins a lot of threads around here.

Your logic is so backwards. If you could show a monstrous ROI on paper at WRD or FMT, WHY AREN'T YOU DOING IT THEN?!??!? If you could make $300 a day "virtually guaranteed" there then ****, go do it. If anything, making a flat win bet profit on a small handle track 24 hours ahead of time is even HARDER because it is more difficult to project closing odds since one moderate bet can move the prices significantly.

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

That sucks. I thought I was doing good by turning a profit at the track I play, but I guess not. No "serious players are wagering there", the "pools are non-existent" and nobody gives a damn about the place.

****. I'd better get cracking on 'capping bigger tracks.

I thought DrugS was serious about his penis and jerking off, thanks for clearing up the fact that he is only joking.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by philcski

Your logic is so backwards. If you could show a monstrous ROI on paper at WRD or FMT, WHY AREN'T YOU DOING IT THEN?!??!? If you could make $300 a day "virtually guaranteed" there then ****, go do it. If anything, making a flat win bet profit on a small handle track 24 hours ahead of time is even HARDER because it is more difficult to project closing odds since one moderate bet can move the prices significantly.

If you have to ask the question, WHY AREN'T YOU DOING IT THEN?!??!?, then you really don't understand the betting side of the game. Are you even familiar, a little, with the pool sizes of the tracks I mention? If I posted selections in the paper every day for those tracks it is a guarantee I would show a + ROI. If I bet as much as $40 on those selections with real money, it would probably turn to a negative ROI, or at the very least shrink considerably.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah because there have never been any ruined threads by over-moderating at PA.

And this post will probably be deleted because heaven forbid you guys receive any criticism.

I like both boards, so I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about that. I will say more threads get edited or deleted here than at PA. I'm just amazed cock references and masturbation techniques seem to be acceptable.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm just amazed cock references and masturbation techniques seem to be acceptable.

It's a cold, cruel world CJ. Have a good cry and wipe your nose.

I'd actually prefer that people not be thin-skinned, piss-stained handwringers about stuff like that...espeically when I know they're not that way.

We are all just animals. Squirrels looking for a nut, Chimps looking for a frog.