Obama taking away constitutional rights?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Seriously, only absolutely paranoid Obama haters could construe this:

It would border on comedy if it weren't so sad.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

. It's common knowledge and would be a huge waste of time and taxpayer money.

Then get angry at R-Richard Nixon, and all the Presidents since. Oh - and many before.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

Honu - you have previously posted that you think the President can make law all by himself. No. He cannot.

The last paragraph says he can.


Definition of an executive Order:
Executive Orders (EOs) are legally binding orders given by the President, acting as the head of the Executive Branch, to Federal Administrative Agencies. Executive Orders are generally used to direct federal agencies and officials in their execution of congressionally established laws or policies. However, in many instances they have been used to guide agencies in directions contrary to congressional intent.

Not all EOs are created equal. Proclamations, for example, are a special type of Executive Order that are generally ceremonial or symbolic, such as when the President declares National Take Your Child To Work Day. Another subset of Executive Orders are those concerned with national security or defense issues. These have generally been known as National Security Directives. Under the Clinton Administration, they have been termed "Presidential Decision Directives."

Executive Orders do not require Congressional approval to take effect but they have the same legal weight as laws passed by Congress. The President's source of authority to issue Executive Orders can be found in the Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution which grants to the President the "executive Power." Section 3 of Article II further directs the President to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." To implement or execute the laws of the land, Presidents give direction and guidance to Executive Branch agencies and departments, often in the form of Executive Orders.

[Danzig]

'used to direct federal agencies and officials in their execution of congressionally established laws or policies'.

[Honu]

Executive Orders do not require Congressional approval to take effect but they have the same legal weight as laws passed by Congress.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Honu

Executive Orders do not require Congressional approval to take effect but they have the same legal weight as laws passed by Congress.

Honu..Are you making a general point or seriously think that President Obama is going to issue an Executive Order outlawing Big Macs?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Honu

Executive Orders do not require Congressional approval to take effect but they have the same legal weight as laws passed by Congress.

Yes, that is exactly right. And Presidents seem to be taking advantage of this loophole more and more. Clinton, Bush, and Obama have all taken advantage of this loophole.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Honu..Are you making a general point or seriously think that President Obama is going to issue an Executive Order outlawing Big Macs?

It leaves the door wide open for anything if you read the order.
I find it hard to believe that the government purley has my good health at intrest.
Its not far fetched , the state of California wants to pass a new tax on soda's with sugar in them to fund health care programs for fat kids. I propose a tax on parents who let their kids eat crap and slam soda's while sitting on their azzes playing video games all day, sounds a little more fair to me.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Yes, that is exactly right. And Presidents seem to be taking advantage of this loophole more and more. Clinton, Bush, and Obama have all taken advantage of this loophole.

fyi... it would be very cool if you were actually Rober DeNiro, but I doubt you are...but this is over a health initiative..Doesn't the right realize how much potency they lose every time they whine about something that is actually a good thing? I could sort through all the drivel in this forum started by a lot of guys I know and like and probably agree with some stuff, but when "you"..are just shotgunning quotes from anyone who is anti-Obama...and has been from the start, the legitimacy is lost.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Yes, that is exactly right. And Presidents seem to be taking advantage of this loophole more and more. Clinton, Bush, and Obama have all taken advantage of this loophole.

Agreed.
Last night I was doing some more research on Executive Orders back to FDR alot of them were concerning foreign affairs and war and such but Truman issued one to try and take over coal mines in Pa. during a strike, it was repealed.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Honu

Executive Orders do not require Congressional approval to take effect but they have the same legal weight as laws passed by Congress.

And Congress can overturn them. We have three branches of government for a reason. It works.

Of all the things to fear in the world nowadays, you fear someone coming up with ways to stop overeating.

[Honu]

Its not a fear Riot, tell me how it is that you beleive that the federal government is so concerned about your health you really think they care that much about you?
For me its about the wording , things like setting goals and timelines to achieve those goals.
They are going to "develope a strategy after obtaining input from relevant stakeholders". Who are the relevant stakeholders if they are not me?
Words like "establishing specific and measurable actions to carry out the strategy" .
I hope that its just the government and Presidents love for me that is giving them such an intrest in my health.

[Riot]

Honu, our government - starting under Republicans! - has a long, long history of taking an interest in our health: Department of Health, Education and Welfare (Health and Human Services), Centers for Disease Control - and in making real laws to improve it.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

Honu, our government - starting under Republicans! - has a long, long history of taking an interest in our health: Department of Health, Education and Welfare (Health and Human Services), Centers for Disease Control - and in making real laws to improve it.

I understand that Riot , if it wasnt for Teddy Roosevelt we would still be eating dead rats in our sausages. What I dont like is the wording and I guess we will all see starting in July of how this going to unfold.
So really no one here thinks that the governemt will in any way interfere with what you eat or drink or if you choose to smoke or not or if you want to sit on your azz or get up and exercise? Because if they dont then how will they achieve the goals they are setting whatever they might be.

[Danzig]

I wonder if there was this much hubbub over the presidents council on physical fitness. They had that back when I was in 5th or 6th grade. I remember winning a patch for hitting top marks in a variety of thing like situps, standing long jump,etc.

Then there's our new food pyramid, which replaced another version.

Were these all nefarious forms of plotting by our govt to ruin our lives? Nope. Just trying to get the word out about nutrition and its connection to a healthy life

[dellinger63]

I'm trying to fit in with this administration's ways

How about a tax credit based on your body fat index?

The obese are taxed $100 for every percent over they are over. That money is then distributed to those in the healthy range. The overweight receive a warning letter and a government ordered pedometer with walking orders. The obese because of the tax burden will be able to afford less food and thus lose weight, the overweight lose weight and get in the healthy range because of exercise and those in the healthy range get a bonus making it a win-win-win situation.



Age-Adusted Body Fat Percentage Recommendations

Women

Age Underfat Healthy Range Overweight Obese
20-40 yrs Under 21% 21-33% 33-39% Over 39%
41-60 yrs Under 23% 23-35% 35-40% Over 40%
61-79 yrs Under 24% 24-36% 36-42% Over 42%

Men

Age Underfat Healthy Range Overweight Obese
20-40 yrs Under 8% 8-19% 19-25% Over 25%
41-60 yrs Under 11% 11-22% 22-27% Over 27%
61-79 yrs Under 13% 13-25% 25-30% Over 30%

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GBBob

fyi... it would be very cool if you were actually Rober DeNiro, but I doubt you are...but this is over a health initiative..Doesn't the right realize how much potency they lose every time they whine about something that is actually a good thing? I could sort through all the drivel in this forum started by a lot of guys I know and like and probably agree with some stuff, but when "you"..are just shotgunning quotes from anyone who is anti-Obama...and has been from the start, the legitimacy is lost.

Bob, I don't think you read my posts in this thread. In my first post, I said that I don't have a problem when the government forces restaurants to use safer ingredients. I said I am actually in favor of it and it is a good thing.

In my 2nd post in this thread, I was speaking about Executive Orders in general. I didn't single out Obama. I said that all the recent Presidents have been using Executive Orders a lot to force through laws. I said that Bush and Clinton did it too. I didn't say anything negative about Obama in this thread.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

WTF is this guy doing? Following Chicago's DaMayor who usurped the 2nd amendment? Unless I'm mistaken the fat former first lady (please Hillary stop eating, it's not healthy and we pay for your fat a$$) and our (care about illegals and obese first) President plan on usurping amendment number ten.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...ation_law.html

Back to the Govts lawsuit. Why are 17,000 National Guard being sent to the Gulf to combat the oil spill, and not to the Az border to combat the Drug cartels that are taking over? When is the Govt going to stop protecting the Cartels and start protecting the citizens of this country? Sue AZ for trying to do what the Govt. should be doing in the first place? Sue BP instead of plugging the damm hole? The lawyers and Harvard genuises that seem to think every problem can be solved with litigation and talk are wrecking this country.

This article should be an eye opener.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=37557

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Bob, I don't think you read my posts in this thread. In my first post, I said that I don't have a problem when the government forces restaurants to use safer ingredients. I said I am actually in favor of it and it is a good thing.

In my 2nd post in this thread, I was speaking about Executive Orders in general. I didn't single out Obama. I said that all the recent Presidents have been using Executive Orders a lot to force through laws. I said that Bush and Clinton did it too. I didn't say anything negative about Obama in this thread.

Understood...and I made sure to " around "you" because it was a big generalization and not directed at you. But, point taken.