BP Gives Up

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

What does Chernobyl have to do with the gulf oil spill? Nothing at all, other than that it was a disaster. Ludicrous comparison.

If you think this was just an "accident", you clearly need to get up to speed on what has been publicized and verified as to what went down on that rig before 11 men were killed. It was no accident. It was a disaster waiting to happen. It was purposeful, deliberate shortcuts of safety in favor of money.

Drilling on that rig was behind schedule, millions of dollars over budget, and decisions were made before the explosion and fire to pursue less expensive, quicker, more dangerous drilling methods. Eleven men are dead.

Verified, publicized, whistleblown. You've missed this in the news, or you are just ignoring it?

Regarding the "stricter government regulation", you might note how MMS allowed BP (at BP insistence) to remove multiple safety requirements that would have prevented this disaster. BP is responsible for 97% of the safety violations in the oil industry. "Guessing" those safety requirements would have prevented it? Not true, according to those in the industry, and the whistleblowers that have already come forward about what happened on that rig before the disaster (cutting corners to save costs, etc).

You want no government interference? Here ya go. Here's the result of BP removing MMS supervision. You got it in spades - it's spilling thousands of gallons in the gulf right now, and eleven men are dead.

Why do you think OSHA even exists? Because strict, unfettered capitalism goes out of it's way to protect it's workers lives?

Kinda like the US before unions? Like China now?

Feel free to "retrain your rights" and wait for BP to clean this up all alone, with zero government supervision. Good luck with being a strict libertarian in the face of real life.

What about the rights of we Americans to not live in a hazmat zone, to keep our businesses, to fish, to have our gulf of Mexico, and the species who live there, unspoiled?

You want strict, unfettered capitalism, you have to live with the consequences. There is room for government, to protect the rights of it's citizens, to protect our resources, to protect our lives.



Really? Is that the same as "you people" (Cannon) championing the rights of companies to kill their employees with no responsibility? Uh. Okay.

Give me a break. Your lust to say that gov't supervision would have prevented this is typical. What about all the other things that are under govt supervision like ...securing the border? LOL

You act like the socialist way is the foolproof way yet when given the example of Chernobyl (an energy related disaster run by a govt, not private enterprise) you act as if there isn't a connection.

What is really ironic is when you "put words in our mouths" which is what we are always accused of. No one has proposed "no gov't interference". Yet some of us realize that the gov't is hardly the foolproof mechanism that you want to believe it is.

"Verified whistle blowing" is something that happens after the fact. There is no reason to believe that even with tougher regulation that something as simple as human error couldn't lead to an accident. The fact is that usurping the rights of individuals or entities because you are mad is a dangerous thing, especially in the times in which we live where the people in charge of the country (both sides) seemingly have no bounds when it comes to politicizing an issue or situation.

OSHA is a bureaucracy that does little more than exist to exist like most govt bureaucracies.

We all know that big companies like BP don't care about much other than making profits. Really that is all they are designed to do. They are going to pay a huge price for this disaster. Maybe they will even get swallowed up by another giant company and not even exist in the future. Maybe PetroChina will buy them out. Think Obama will have tough talk for them?

[Danzig]

It was my understanding that the well/rig that exploded was in the midst of being shut down. From what I read, that's the most dangerous part of drilling-stopping a well. How that has to do with greed I don't know, if they were ending oil drilling in that spot. The real issue is that they didn't have a cutoff that worked for that depth, and no relief well already in place. A relief well is required in other areas. For deep water, I guess they've now learned it should be required, since digging one takes time-as we can see
And bp leases that rig-i doubt they are the only ones to blame. U don't sue the dealer when your car is a lemon; you sue the car maker.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

It was my understanding that the well/rig that exploded was in the midst of being shut down. From what I read, that's the most dangerous part of drilling-stopping a well. How that has to do with greed I don't know, if they were ending oil drilling in that spot. The real issue is that they didn't have a cutoff that worked for that depth, and no relief well already in place. A relief well is required in other areas. For deep water, I guess they've now learned it should be required, since digging one takes time-as we can see
And bp leases that rig-i doubt they are the only ones to blame. U don't sue the dealer when your car is a lemon; you sue the car maker.

Thank you for some common sense added to discussion

[Mike2456]

Originally Posted by Danzig

It was my understanding that the well/rig that exploded was in the midst of being shut down. From what I read, that's the most dangerous part of drilling-stopping a well. How that has to do with greed I don't know, if they were ending oil drilling in that spot.

There was quite a bit more to it within the process of "shutting the well down", and the skipped and botched steps, the argument on deck, the unapproved methods - in the name of speed and money - caused the explosion and killed those men.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/2...-bp-tried.html

(This is Riot, working from another computer)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Mike2456

There was quite a bit more to it within the process of "shutting the well down", and the skipped and botched steps, the argument on deck, the unapproved methods - in the name of speed and money - caused the explosion and killed those men.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/2...-bp-tried.html

(This is Riot, working from another computer)

i was typing away on my phone, which is the reason for the condensed version.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Give me a break. Your lust to say that gov't supervision would have prevented this is typical. What about all the other things that are under govt supervision like ...securing the border? LOL

You act like the socialist way is the foolproof way yet when given the example of Chernobyl (an energy related disaster run by a govt, not private enterprise) you act as if there isn't a connection.

What is really ironic is when you "put words in our mouths" which is what we are always accused of. No one has proposed "no gov't interference". Yet some of us realize that the gov't is hardly the foolproof mechanism that you want to believe it is.

"Verified whistle blowing" is something that happens after the fact. There is no reason to believe that even with tougher regulation that something as simple as human error couldn't lead to an accident. The fact is that usurping the rights of individuals or entities because you are mad is a dangerous thing, especially in the times in which we live where the people in charge of the country (both sides) seemingly have no bounds when it comes to politicizing an issue or situation.

OSHA is a bureaucracy that does little more than exist to exist like most govt bureaucracies.

We all know that big companies like BP don't care about much other than making profits. Really that is all they are designed to do. They are going to pay a huge price for this disaster. Maybe they will even get swallowed up by another giant company and not even exist in the future. Maybe PetroChina will buy them out. Think Obama will have tough talk for them?

Wow - all the straw men, false premises and gross generalizations in there, hard to know where to start.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Wow - all the straw men, false premises and gross generalizations in there, hard to know where to start.

False premises?

Not just generalizations but gross generalizations?

You sound more and more like a politician every day.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

False premises?

Not just generalizations but gross generalizations?

You sound more and more like a politician every day.

save yourself chuck ,, the mental anguish from this post alone should get you a claim from bp..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

save yourself chuck ,, the mental anguish from this post alone should get you a claim from bp..

But there are whistleblowers!

[Danzig]

it was george bush and jess jacksons fault.

[Danzig]

no need to fear, folks! a solution has been found...


'State senators in Louisiana have designated Sunday as a day of prayer aimed at seeking an end to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster.

On Wednesday, Louisiana state Sen. Robert Adley won unanimous approval of the resolution, which invites people of all faiths from within the state and around the U.S. to focus on divine intervention to find a solution to the crisis.

"Thus far efforts made by mortals to try to solve the crisis have been to no avail," CNN reported Adley saying in a statement released last week. "It is clearly time for a miracle for us."'


that's why we elect them, so they can find definitive, foolproof responses to our pressing issues.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

False premises?

Not just generalizations but gross generalizations?

You sound more and more like a politician every day.

Your choice for President, Caribou Barbie, says to call in the Dutch, as they are good with cleaning up water. And dikes.

[Riot]

Yikes ...

http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2...ow-unstoppable

So if you can post links from Mother Jones can del and the boys post links from breitbart?

[Danzig]

i think the earth will start blowing around the universe like a balloon that you inflate and then let go....the end is nigh. this is obviously the beginning of armageddon. it's only fitting that we die from oil, our greed caused it all!!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

So if you can post links from Mother Jones can del and the boys post links from breitbart?

Only a reliable news source would have propaganda filled popups begging for money when you click on thier link

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

So if you can post links from Mother Jones can del and the boys post links from breitbart?

Please, they already do.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your choice for President, Caribou Barbie, says to call in the Dutch, as they are good with cleaning up water. And dikes.

My choice for President? I didn't know that I had endorsed anyone yet.

Making fun of Palin doesn't make Obama any less of a disaster

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

My choice for President? I didn't know that I had endorsed anyone yet.

Making fun of Palin doesn't make Obama any less of a disaster

very true!