Question for Arlington fans

Port Conway Lane · #1 06-16-2010, 01:40 PM

There is an entry tomorrow owned by Frank C Calabrese. When filtering the owner/trainer stats, unless previous horses who have run have been listed under that exact name formulator will not pick them up.

Thank you guys for correcting my error.

CSC · #2 06-16-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

There is an entry tomorrow owned by Frank C Calabrese. When filtering the owner/trainer stats, unless previous horses who have run have been listed under that exact name formulator will not pick them up.

Thank you guys for correcting my error.

I may be told otherwise from my limited plays from Arlington this year, but Catalano is not as effective without the Calabrese angle, sure he still wins at a good rate but it's not as outerworldly as once was.

MISTERGEE · #3 06-16-2010, 01:50 PM

It is kinda funny to think but probably true that Catalano is not doing as well without Calabrese at AP. , but he doesnt suck either over 29 % winners poor guy

Port Conway Lane · #4 06-16-2010, 01:51 PM

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I may be told otherwise from my limited plays from Arlington this year, but Catalano is not as effective without the Calabrese angle, sure he still wins at a good rate but it's not as outerworldly as once was.

I certainly couldn't dispute that, at least not accurately.

Cannon Shell · #5 06-16-2010, 01:56 PM

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I may be told otherwise from my limited plays from Arlington this year, but Catalano is not as effective without the Calabrese angle, sure he still wins at a good rate but it's not as outerworldly as once was.

He isnt claiming much anymore, has a completely different type of barn now.

CSC · #6 06-16-2010, 02:04 PM

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He isnt claiming much anymore, has a completely different type of barn now.

I don't want to put you in a difficult position, but don't you find Calabrese seems to move up trainer's? I don't remember kid Canani ever being so proficient that is until he started training for this stable, claiming or not Calabrese seems to have the 'edge' regardless who trains for him.

brianwspencer · #7 06-16-2010, 02:07 PM

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I don't want to put you in a difficult position, but don't you find Calabrese seems to move up trainer's? I don't remember kid Canani ever being so proficient that is until he started training for this stable, claiming or not Calabrese seems to have the 'edge' regardless who trains for him.

Of course he does. Chuck and any decent trainer could win with 35% of his starters if he had a deep-pocketed owner who was willing to spend $35,000 on a claim just to drop it in for $10,000 six weeks later without starting it in between.

Not sure if you follow Arlington much, but that claim -> ridiculous drop probably covers about 80% of the entries coming from this team -- horses running for at least a 50% reduction in the tag for which they were claimed.

Doubt Chuck will get put in a difficult position by admitting he'd be thrilled to have an owner who didn't care about losing horses for less than he paid for them, didn't care about losing money over the course of the meet, and only wanted to win races at any cost all while still getting his day rate and claiming more horses to keep the barn full.

CSC · #8 06-16-2010, 02:11 PM

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Of course he does. Chuck and any decent trainer could win with 35% of his starters if he had a deep-pocketed owner who was willing to spend $35,000 on a claim just to drop it in for $10,000 six weeks later without starting it in between.

Not sure if you follow Arlington much, but that claim -> ridiculous drop probably covers about 80% of the entries coming from this team -- horses running for at least a 50% reduction in the tag for which they were claimed.

Doubt Chuck will get put in a difficult position by admitting he'd be thrilled to have an owner who didn't care about losing horses for less than he paid for them, didn't care about losing money over the course of the meet, and only wanted to win races at any cost.

I don't watch Arlington religiously enough to know but I suspect I know the answer, I would be interested just how horses do once they leave the Calabrese barn, that to me is a much more useful and interesting stat as a capper.

brianwspencer · #9 06-16-2010, 02:14 PM

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I don't watch Arlington religiously enough to know but I suspect I know the answer, I would be interested just how horses do once they leave the Calabrese barn, that to me is a much more useful and interesting stat as a capper.

It's your lucky day then -- that info is all above earlier in the thread.

Cannon Shell · #10 06-16-2010, 02:13 PM

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I don't want to put you in a difficult position, but don't you find Calabrese seems to move up trainer's? I don't remember kid Canani ever being so proficient that is until he started training for this stable, claiming or not Calabrese seems to have the 'edge' regardless who trains for him.

You have an edge when your guy is willing to lose to win. Plus they have other "advantages" having nothing to do with substances or devices placed in or on horses. The FCC payroll may include many individuals.

They also are the the big fish in a little pond here. there really is no one to keep them honest. An owner with some cash and desire could give them a run for their money.

MISTERGEE · #11 06-16-2010, 02:15 PM

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You have an edge when your guy is willing to lose to win. Plus they have other "advantages" having nothing to do with substances or devices placed in or on horses. The FCC payroll may include many individuals.

They also are the the big fish in a little pond here. there really is no one to keep them honest. An owner with some cash and desire could give them a run for their money.

Hello Michael Gill !

Cannon Shell · #12 06-16-2010, 02:18 PM

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Hello Michael Gill !

LOL

Gill would make it interesting...

Could see him and frank duking it out in the paddock

CSC · #13 06-16-2010, 02:15 PM

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You have an edge when your guy is willing to lose to win. Plus they have other "advantages" having nothing to do with substances or devices placed in or on horses. The FCC payroll may include many individuals.

They also are the the big fish in a little pond here. there really is no one to keep them honest. An owner with some cash and desire could give them a run for their money.

It's guys like this that make bettors look for other options, that is why I like Monmouth so much now, you have a bunch of cheaters and claimers out there. An equal playing field.

Cannon Shell · #14 06-16-2010, 02:20 PM

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It's guys like this that make bettors look for other options, that is why I like Monmouth so much now, you have a bunch of cheaters and claimers out there. An equal playing field.

Agreed. What the track never get is the biggest outfits are usually impediments to their (the tracks) success.

Duvalier · #15 06-16-2010, 02:21 PM

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It's guys like this that make bettors look for other options, that is why I like Monmouth so much now, you have a bunch of cheaters and claimers out there.

If that's what they are doing...just entering horses at huge discounted prices to win races it's not cheating. At the same time I can see your point as far as wagering...having so many short priced favorites winning that much isn't really what players are looking for.

Duvalier · #16 06-16-2010, 03:34 PM

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They also are the the big fish in a little pond here. there really is no one to keep them honest. An owner with some cash and desire could give them a run for their money.

Looking at a few of the races at Arlington I saw where Midwest Thoroughbreds race there. Seeing them in Tampa and at some of the Mid-Atlantic tracks they seem like they certainly have both the cash and stock to keep the claiming game fairly honest to a certain degree.

Just checked on equibase and they are the leading owner in the nation as far as races won and are ranked fourth in earnings. Are they as active claiming at Arlington as they are at other venues?

Cannon Shell · #17 06-16-2010, 05:44 PM

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Looking at a few of the races at Arlington I saw where Midwest Thoroughbreds race there. Seeing them in Tampa and at some of the Mid-Atlantic tracks they seem like they certainly have both the cash and stock to keep the claiming game fairly honest to a certain degree.

Just checked on equibase and they are the leading owner in the nation as far as races won and are ranked fourth in earnings. Are they as active claiming at Arlington as they are at other venues?

They do some claiming here but not to the extend to others