Ahhhhh she did it!!!!

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well they are before my time as well but they have these things called books...

And if you don't know the history of the game why do you feel so comfortable in placing Zenyatta among the greats of the game?

Let's revisit this after Nov.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

Let's revisit this after Nov.

Why? What can happen in November?

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why? What can happen in November?

Thanksgiving, silly. Everything calms down when we stuff face with all that triptophan. I just hope nobody gets so full they loosen their belt or open their zipper. That opens up a whole new can of--nevermind.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Thanksgiving, silly. Everything calms down when we stuff face with all that triptophan. I just hope nobody gets so full they loosen their belt or open their zipper. That opens up a whole new can of--nevermind.

do tell!!

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Danzig

do tell!!

I meant unbutton their pants I suppose. Oops. Please don't lower zippers sitting next to your cousin and Auntie Martha.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

I meant unbutton their pants I suppose. Oops. Please don't lower zippers sitting next to your cousin and Auntie Martha.

lol

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Thanksgiving, silly. Everything calms down when we stuff face with all that triptophan. I just hope nobody gets so full they loosen their belt or open their zipper. That opens up a whole new can of--nevermind.

And people wonder why I call her Lewinsky.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why? What can happen in November?

Cannon,

It's one person's opinion but coming from Steve Davidowitz, you listen.

I believe for an absolute certainty that Zenyatta’s Vanity run reinforced the notion that she is the best race mare of my lifetime, if not one of the top horses of any age or sex since Secretariat, Affirmed, Seattle Slew, Ruffian and Spectacular Bid were dominating the 1970s.

Here's the entire read: http://beat.bodoglife.com/horseracin...ces-90865.html

*looks for vomit emoticon*

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by CSC

Cannon,

It's one person's opinion but coming from Steve Davidowitz, you listen.

I believe for an absolute certainty that Zenyatta’s Vanity run reinforced the notion that she is the best race mare of my lifetime, if not one of the top horses of any age or sex since Secretariat, Affirmed, Seattle Slew, Ruffian and Spectacular Bid were dominating the 1970s.

Wow. What a tard. A complete and utter tard.

That's tardiness beyond even what you and Prostate Operator are capable of.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

Cannon,

It's one person's opinion but coming from Steve Davidowitz, you listen.

I believe for an absolute certainty that Zenyatta’s Vanity run reinforced the notion that she is the best race mare of my lifetime, if not one of the top horses of any age or sex since Secretariat, Affirmed, Seattle Slew, Ruffian and Spectacular Bid were dominating the 1970s.

Here's the entire read: http://beat.bodoglife.com/horseracin...ces-90865.html

all i can say is he must be very, very young. no, really, i have no idea how old he is....i do know he's giving new meaning to the word 'hyperbole'. i think she's good, very good actually. best race mare? no. not of my lifetime, of a three month olds lifetime, maybe. one of the top horses since those in the '70's??? i guess it depends on how long of a list you make.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Danzig

all i can say is he must be very, very young. no, really, i have no idea how old he is....i do know he's giving new meaning to the word 'hyperbole'. i think she's good, very good actually. best race mare? no. not of my lifetime, of a three month olds lifetime, maybe. one of the top horses since those in the '70's??? i guess it depends on how long of a list you make.

He's old. He's lost it. Or never had it.

[DaTruth]

So Z is better than Azeri, Bayakoa, Bold N' Determined, Go For Wand, Inside Information, Lady's Secret, Melair, Paseana, Personal Ensign, Princess Rooney, Riboletta, and Serena's Song? That is nuts.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

So Z is better than Azeri, Bayakoa, Bold N' Determined, Go For Wand, Inside Information, Lady's Secret, Melair, Paseana, Personal Ensign, Princess Rooney, Riboletta, and Serena's Song? That is nuts.

Maybe, No way, maybe, No way, No Way, No way, NO, Yes, no, No Way, probably not and maybe.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

So Z is better than Azeri, Bayakoa, Bold N' Determined, Go For Wand, Inside Information, Lady's Secret, Melair, Paseana, Personal Ensign, Princess Rooney, Riboletta, and Serena's Song? That is nuts.

I think she can certainly be mentioned with those and i think you could make a valid argument that she is better than at least some of those. No?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

So Z is better than Azeri, Bayakoa, Bold N' Determined, Go For Wand, Inside Information, Lady's Secret, Melair, Paseana, Personal Ensign, Princess Rooney, Riboletta, and Serena's Song? That is nuts.

thing is, when people say one of the best ever, i think they say that without thinking about the list of those that came before. after all, once you start giving details (devil's in the details) then it really starts sounding silly.

zenyatta has one hell of a win streak going...but i'm surprised that many talk about her streak in the context of pepper's pride-yet no one hesitated to mention her being on par with cigar...even worse, with citation. citation beat some incredibly talented horses to get that streak. her being mentioned in that respect (or more laughably so when they mentioned even man o war and secretariat couldn't boast a streak so long) is absolute blasphemy! it has taken her years to get this streak, with all but one race being in restricted stakes!! big cy won one of his races early on in his three year old season, pre-tc races, versus the previous years horse of the year, armed. he won the t.c., along with a race between the preakness and belmont, en route to that streak.

and now this? it's utterly laughable. trying to create a modern day superhorse is understandable, but it's far from realistic-especially when you start digging below the surface.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

So Z is better than Azeri, Bayakoa, Bold N' Determined, Go For Wand, Inside Information, Lady's Secret, Melair, Paseana, Personal Ensign, Princess Rooney, Riboletta, and Serena's Song? That is nuts.

I've seen them all and would like to see that race.

17 times Zenyatta has found a way to get to the wire and if she were to race against this group I think she would be in the photo for the the win.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

all i can say is he must be very, very young. no, really, i have no idea how old he is....i do know he's giving new meaning to the word 'hyperbole'. i think she's good, very good actually. best race mare? no. not of my lifetime, of a three month olds lifetime, maybe. one of the top horses since those in the '70's??? i guess it depends on how long of a list you make.

Thats pretty much what I was thinking. I mean, are we just talking horses that have run here or are we talking about european horses as well? Can you really put her up there with:

Holy Bull, Ghostzapper, Alysheba, skip away, sunday silence, easy goer, cigar?

Those are US based horses I came up with off the top of my head and I'm sure you can think of a bunch more. Internationally, you would be hardpressed to put her in with these Mares:

Zarkhava, islington, goldikova, makybe Diva, Sunline, ouija board

I love Z but at the same time you have to be realistic. I think I can put her with some of the best mares in the last 30 years to run in the US but i have a hard time putting her up there with those horses named.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

all i can say is he must be very, very young. no, really, i have no idea how old he is....i do know he's giving new meaning to the word 'hyperbole'. i think she's good, very good actually. best race mare? no. not of my lifetime, of a three month olds lifetime, maybe. one of the top horses since those in the '70's??? i guess it depends on how long of a list you make.

Danzig, he's actually had 40 + yrs experience watching and handicapping horses, he has written a book called “Betting Thoroughbreds for the 21st Century.” and was featured in a Q&A in the N.Y Times.

http://therail.blogs.nytimes.com/201...ve-davidowitz/

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

Danzig, he's actually had 40 + yrs experience watching and handicapping horses, he has written a book called “Betting Thoroughbreds for the 21st Century.” and was featured in a Q&A in the N.Y Times.

http://therail.blogs.nytimes.com/201...ve-davidowitz/

well, we all know about what opinions are like. i disagree with his on this for sure.