Fleur de Lis and Foster online?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And people wonder where the Peppers Pride analogies come from.



She set a fast pace, completely fractured a good horse in Jessica Is Back and blew the race open in the stretch to win by 10+ in 1:48 gathered up late. What more could she have done today?

She couldnt have done anything more than what she did today. I agree. But, Joey, do you really sincerely believe that Jessica is Back is a "good horse"? She is an allowance/stakes also ran that could just have easily been running for a tag yesterday.

This was a joke of a field and if Zenyatta beat this same field tomorrow at hollywood park, many would be asking to put an asterisk by the win.

I don't think there is any evidence that says this is the "real rachel" and the one that raced a month ago against Unrivaled belle was some type of impostor. She is the same filly. Its what was running behind her today that changed.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

She couldnt have done anything more than what she did today. I agree. But, Joey, do you really sincerely believe that Jessica is Back is a "good horse"? She is an allowance/stakes also ran that could just have easily been running for a tag yesterday.

This was a joke of a field and if Zenyatta beat this same field tomorrow at hollywood park, many would be asking to put an asterisk by the win.

I don't think there is any evidence that says this is the "real rachel" and the one that raced a month ago against Unrivaled belle was some type of impostor. She is the same filly. Its what was running behind her today that changed.

Pleae don't bring logic into this argument.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

She couldnt have done anything more than what she did today. I agree. But, Joey, do you really sincerely believe that Jessica is Back is a "good horse"? She is an allowance/stakes also ran that could just have easily been running for a tag yesterday.

This was a joke of a field and if Zenyatta beat this same field tomorrow at hollywood park, many would be asking to put an asterisk by the win.

I don't think there is any evidence that says this is the "real rachel" and the one that raced a month ago against Unrivaled belle was some type of impostor. She is the same filly. Its what was running behind her today that changed.

St Trinians is better than Jessica Is Back? Show me the proof of that. I dare you. Rachel stepped forward today from the last two races. If you can't see that, I worry about your ability to watch races.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

St Trinians is better than Jessica Is Back? Show me the proof of that. I dare you. Rachel stepped forward today from the last two races. If you can't see that, I worry about your ability to watch races.

Congratuations on being the biggest hypocrite on this board, if you can put down your poms poms for a moment, and take a step back you will notice St. Trinians is a grade 2 winner that beat the BC Distaff winner, has lost only once in NA, in a race a Gr.1 race against males where she was the favorite in which all her races till that point were easy wins.

What has the 6 yr old Jessica is Back done outside of Florida? How many graded stakes wins has she won? Her main claim to fame is finishing 2nd in the Gr.3 Sixty Sails. This to you means she is better than St. Trinians, if so I would love to hear why you think so...U-N-B-E-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-E.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

St Trinians is better than Jessica Is Back? Show me the proof of that. I dare you. Rachel stepped forward today from the last two races. If you can't see that, I worry about your ability to watch races.

If St Trinians isnt better than Jessica is Back (which itself is extremely questionable), i would wager most would agree that Zardana certainly is. No? Show me proof she is not. i dare you.

You can question my race watching ability all you want and no doubt it is certainly questionable (ask youbet!) but what was so much better about that performance yesterday? She faced weaker company than she had previously faced and she was able to draw off in the stretch. In her last race, replace unrivaled belle with jessica is back or that other nag from yesterday and Rachel does the exact same thing. How is this better? Because her speed fig came out higher?

I don't want to get deep in to this whole "who is better" thing. I am just saying that Rachel did what she was supposed to do yesterday and she did it stylishly but you aren't going to be able to tell anything about where she is until you put a real horse in there against her as opposed to the claimers she beat yesterday. Is that not a fair statement?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If St Trinians isnt better than Jessica is Back (which itself is extremely questionable), i would wager most would agree that Zardana certainly is. No? Show me proof she is not. i dare you.

You can question my race watching ability all you want and no doubt it is certainly questionable (ask youbet!) but what was so much better about that performance yesterday? She faced weaker company than she had previously faced and she was able to draw off in the stretch. In her last race, replace unrivaled belle with jessica is back or that other nag from yesterday and Rachel does the exact same thing. How is this better? Because her speed fig came out higher?

I don't want to get deep in to this whole "who is better" thing. I am just saying that Rachel did what she was supposed to do yesterday and she did it stylishly but you aren't going to be able to tell anything about where she is until you put a real horse in there against her as opposed to the claimers she beat yesterday. Is that not a fair statement?

On dirt, I think JIB would destroy ST, but ST is pretty solid on synthetics. Who knows who she comes back today though? She has a lot of issues and is pretty dam crooked.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

On dirt, I think JIB would destroy ST, but ST is pretty solid on synthetics. Who knows who she comes back today though? She has a lot of issues and is pretty dam crooked.

She has never run on dirt. You are assuming that JIB would "destroy" St Trinians based on all of the success Jessica has had in beating Graded Stakes winning foes?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If St Trinians isnt better than Jessica is Back (which itself is extremely questionable), i would wager most would agree that Zardana certainly is. No? Show me proof she is not. i dare you.

You can question my race watching ability all you want and no doubt it is certainly questionable (ask youbet!) but what was so much better about that performance yesterday? She faced weaker company than she had previously faced and she was able to draw off in the stretch. In her last race, replace unrivaled belle with jessica is back or that other nag from yesterday and Rachel does the exact same thing. How is this better? Because her speed fig came out higher?

I don't want to get deep in to this whole "who is better" thing. I am just saying that Rachel did what she was supposed to do yesterday and she did it stylishly but you aren't going to be able to tell anything about where she is until you put a real horse in there against her as opposed to the claimers she beat yesterday. Is that not a fair statement?

i disagree. she may have managed a win rather than a scant second, but she seemed better to me yesterday than in her last two as well. we'll see how things go from here.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i disagree. she may have managed a win rather than a scant second, but she seemed better to me yesterday than in her last two as well. we'll see how things go from here.

Fair enough Zig. I look younger next to Joan Rivers.

[parsixfarms]

Because of the significantly lower level of competition yesterday, it's hard to truly assess Rachel's performance yesterday versus her first two races this year. Do I think she improved over the Fair Grounds race and the La Troienne? Yes. Do I think "she's back" to where she was last year? No. Because of her running with her head cocked to the side, I still have nagging doubts about where she's at.

I hope that her connections point her to the Ruffian at Saratoga. To bite off something more than that would probably be doing Rachel a disservice at this time.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Because of the significantly lower level of competition yesterday, it's hard to truly assess Rachel's performance yesterday versus her first two races this year. Do I think she improved over the Fair Grounds race and the La Troienne? Yes. Do I think "she's back" to where she was last year? No. Because of her running with her head cocked to the side, I still have nagging doubts about where she's at.

I hope that her connections point her to the Ruffian at Saratoga. To bite off something more than that would probably be doing Rachel a disservice at this time.

Agree! I hope they put Rachel first and not succumb to their egos or the fans wishes.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

She couldnt have done anything more than what she did today. I agree. But, Joey, do you really sincerely believe that Jessica is Back is a "good horse"? She is an allowance/stakes also ran that could just have easily been running for a tag yesterday.

This was a joke of a field and if Zenyatta beat this same field tomorrow at hollywood park, many would be asking to put an asterisk by the win.

I don't think there is any evidence that says this is the "real rachel" and the one that raced a month ago against Unrivaled belle was some type of impostor. She is the same filly. Its what was running behind her today that changed.

I think the difference is that Zenyatta is at the top of her game and therefore could be in races like the Californian or pointed to the Gold Cup, Goodwood etc. and that is why most people are unsatisfied with her schedule.

I think most people who question her campaign do so out of a respect of Zenyatta's ability. She could be dominating races like the Grade 1s for males all year. At this point, I would take a shot against the Rail Trips and Blames of the equine world before I would run against the fillies and risk Zenyatta getting a terrible trip and one of the other fillies getting a dream trip and beating her.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I think the difference is that Zenyatta is at the top of her game and therefore could be in races like the Californian or pointed to the Gold Cup, Goodwood etc. and that is why most people are unsatisfied with her schedule.

I think most people who question her campaign do so out of a respect of Zenyatta's ability. She could be dominating races like the Grade 1s for males all year. At this point, I would take a shot against the Rail Trips and Blames of the equine world before I would run against the fillies and risk Zenyatta getting a terrible trip and one of the other fillies getting a dream trip and beating her.

If St. Trinians was in the Californian yesterday, she would have been the second choice and most likely the main opposition for Rail Trip. She shouldn't be confused with a Distinctive Dixie or Jessica is Back. This is a better challenge than most give it credit for, 9 lbs and all.

[Travis Stone]

There is no reason why Zenyatta should not be targeting the Hollywood Gold Cup. Ten furlongs, a racetrack she loves... no reason to not be there.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

There is no reason why Zenyatta should not be targeting the Hollywood Gold Cup. Ten furlongs, a racetrack she loves... no reason to not be there.

I have no problem with this, however she most likely has only 3 races left in her career after today. If this is the case they need a filler late in the summer before the BC, which means there will be one more race on the calendar. Just which race they choose will be the $1000 dollar question, if it's N.Y I'll take that over the HWGC.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

There is no reason why Zenyatta should not be targeting the Hollywood Gold Cup. Ten furlongs, a racetrack she loves... no reason to not be there.

I totally agree.

I still think she should of taken on the Met Mile at one turn.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by CSC

If St. Trinians was in the Californian yesterday, she would have been better opposition than anyone else in that field against Rail Trip. She's not a Distinctive Dixie or Jessica is Back.

OH MY GOD.

Do you ever stop?

What does Distinctive Dixie or Jessica is Back have to do with Zenyatta's ability to handle the Californian field and possible Gold Cup, Goodwood fields? Only you can miss what is actually a compliment of Zenyatta's ability and think it somehow has to do with Rachel.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

OH MY GOD.

Do you ever stop?

What does Distinctive Dixie or Jessica is Back have to do with Zenyatta's ability to handle the Californian field and possible Gold Cup, Goodwood fields? Only you can miss what is actually a compliment of Zenyatta's ability and think it somehow has to do with Rachel.

I think you misunderstood me, what I am saying is St. Trinians is not much worst than Rail Trip(who I predict will fall back to earth as the yr progresses). Making today's race not the walkover it is portrayed to be. That's all, that's what I keep hearing here, people want her challenged. well this isn't the Foster but it isn't like last year's Vanity either. Setting the record straight.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I think the difference is that Zenyatta is at the top of her game and therefore could be in races like the Californian or pointed to the Gold Cup, Goodwood etc. and that is why most people are unsatisfied with her schedule.

I think most people who question her campaign do so out of a respect of Zenyatta's ability. She could be dominating races like the Grade 1s for males all year. At this point, I would take a shot against the Rail Trips and Blames of the equine world before I would run against the fillies and risk Zenyatta getting a terrible trip and one of the other fillies getting a dream trip and beating her.

I agree with everything you say. I think Zenyatta's connections could certainly have been more adventurous in their campaign. At the same time, tomorrow's race isn't a walkover. She is spotting serious weight to a short field of accomplished horses. As far as taking a shot against Rail Trip though, does that really do any good? Even beating Blame yesterday would have hardly made the necessary statement and I think Blame is the best older male running right now besides Quality Road. Winning at Saratoga or Belmont in late summer and early fall are the only way outside of the BC to make any real noise.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I agree with everything you say. I think Zenyatta's connections could certainly have been more adventurous in their campaign. At the same time, tomorrow's race isn't a walkover. She is spotting serious weight to a short field of accomplished horses. As far as taking a shot against Rail Trip though, does that really do any good? Even beating Blame yesterday would have hardly made the necessary statement and I think Blame is the best older male running right now besides Quality Road. Winning at Saratoga or Belmont in late summer and early fall are the only way outside of the BC to make any real noise.

You really think that Zen beating the best older males on synthetics or even more so traveling across the country and beating the best older males on conventional dirt at Churchill Downs would have hardly made a statement??? Seriously??? So your saying her winning either race would of been ho hum. I suggest you rethink that ridiculous comment. It EXACTLY what she needs to do to start making Necessary Statements if they want her to win HOY.