A question for those that do not like Zenyatta...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

LOL, that sure sounds like you're comparing them. And again, it's much easier for a horse with four full seasons and 38 starts to have "stature" than it is for one with 8 starts.

exactly! i'm just saying that a horse should really do a lot before they start getting a ton of accolades-and i don't think in hindsight that bernardini really deserved a lot of the praise he was given that year.

[hockey2315]

I have much more respect for Bernardini now than I did when he was running.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I have much more respect for Bernardini now than I did when he was running.

Ditto. He was no Curlin but when I hear people praising Summer Turd I want to slit my wrists.
Twice.

[hockey2315]

I think he would've proven better than Curlin if given the opportunity.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I think he would've proven better than Curlin if given the opportunity.

i wish he'd been given that opportunity.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I think he would've proven better than Curlin if given the opportunity.

I hope you are kidding. But, if you are not- we'll never know so Curlin wins IMO. I was just sayin I had little respect for Bernardini when he raced but in retrospect he looks like Seattle Slew compared to pos like Summer Turd.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

I hope you are kidding. But, if you are not- we'll never know so Curlin wins IMO. I was just sayin I had little respect for Bernardini when he raced but in retrospect he looks like Seattle Slew compared to pos like Summer Turd.

i think summer bird did pretty well considering his total campaign last year. he's actually comparable to bernardini in that both got a later start than many of their peers. now, bernardini got more wins, but i don't think summer bird was a 'pos'. i don't know that their one year stands up to many other horses top season, but neither was a slouch-and no doubt both could have done a lot at four, had they been able to race.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

I hope you are kidding. But, if you are not- we'll never know so Curlin wins IMO. I was just sayin I had little respect for Bernardini when he raced but in retrospect he looks like Seattle Slew compared to pos like Summer Turd.

Yeah, what a POS he had to be to win the Belmont, Travers and JCGC, crushing the 2010 HOY favorite twice in the process. Such a ho-hum feat that triple is. Jesus, there's no pleasing you people.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yeah, what a POS he had to be to win the Belmont, Travers and JCGC, crushing the 2010 HOY favorite twice in the process. Such a ho-hum feat that triple is. Jesus, there's no pleasing you people.

exactly. quality road is supposed to be a beast and summer bird beat him both times they met-but he's a pos?

[chucklestheclown]

The 2010 HOY favorite...LOL. I've spent the past 10 minutes trying to log back in to reply to another thread re the inferiority of todays horses because of breeding practices but it may as well be here. The Breeders Cup and Eclipse Awards mean shat to everyone betting money on races except how they skew the ACTUAL RUNNING of races (like the JCGC) and the payouts thereof. I couldn't care less about who is named "Horse of the Year" except as to how it affects the results of the races I'm betting from June thru September, and that is a damn big deal and why CDSI is out a few K of mine this year.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I think he would've proven better than Curlin if given the opportunity.

agreed. I rate him above almost all winners of a TC race in 2000-2010. Point Given would rate with him.

I would not be embarrassed to say that PG and Bern > Afleet, Smarty, Street Sense, Rachel, Curlin, Rags, Funny Cide, War Emblem (a bum), Empire Maker, Barbaro (yes I said it!), etc.

[Indian Charlie]

Barbaro was the best 3yo of the 2000s, turf or dirt. At least in this country.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Barbaro was the best 3yo of the 2000s, turf or dirt. At least in this country.

I'll agree with that, especially on Turf. Kittens Joy was a joy to watch on Turf also.

Its hard and maybe unfair of me to rate Bernadini higher, as of course, there was no way to prove that.

Barbaro was a really good race horse...

In my opinion though, PG and Bern were the two best triple crown race winners in the decade.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Barbaro was the best 3yo of the 2000s, turf or dirt. At least in this country.

based on???

[NTamm1215]

I think it's really tough to say Barbaro was the best of the decade on either surface. I'd certainly take Kitten's Joy before him on the weeds as a 3YO.

Barbaro was terrific but he also beat a future 20k claimer in the Holy Bull and a NY bred who never won a race again in the Fla Derby. His Derby was very strong but that ended up being an awfully weak field.

NT

[Thunder Gulch]

I think it was Smarty on the dirt.

Any of the ones mentioned would have had this year's crop by open lengths.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig

exactly! i'm just saying that a horse should really do a lot before they start getting a ton of accolades-and i don't think in hindsight that bernardini really deserved a lot of the praise he was given that year.

Tough crowd. He was a tremendously fast three-year-old, the best since Point Given. Obviously these days, with so few truly great horses remaining, people are going to go overboard when a really good one comes along. Just look at the hyperbole machine from Rachel and Zenyatta fans. Bernardini was simply brilliant in his brief career.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

exactly! i'm just saying that a horse should really do a lot before they start getting a ton of accolades-and i don't think in hindsight that bernardini really deserved a lot of the praise he was given that year.

i respectfully disagree.