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Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

who beat better horses, personal ensign or zenyatta?

who is a better race horse? Who they beat is not the only component.

Zenyatta has beat a few champions in her career as well.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

who is a better race horse? Who they beat is not the only component.

Zenyatta has beat a few champions in her career as well.

personal ensign is the better horse imo. who they beat is not the only component. but shouldnt it be a component?

personal ensign beat better right?

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Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

personal ensign is the better horse imo. who they beat is not the only component. but shouldnt it be a component?

personal ensign beat beat right?

beat beat? I don't know what your asking.

I have no idea how you can say definitely that Personal Ensign is a better race horse looking at the two records on paper. I agree Personal Ensign has beaten pretty good horses but Zenyatta has beaten a few as well.

Where did you stand on the Easy Goer/Sunday Silence question?

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

beat beat? I don't know what your asking.

I have no idea how you can say definitely that Personal Ensign is a better race horse looking at the two records on paper. I agree Personal Ensign has beaten pretty good horses but Zenyatta has beaten a few as well.

Where did you stand on the Easy Goer/Sunday Silence question?

lol...sorry i meant beat better. i think you know what i was asking though. i asked it in my first post. i dont think its even really comparable who beat better. of course zenyatta has a chance to beat better. but racing in california isnt doing anything for her rep.

i thought sunday silence was better.

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Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

lol...sorry i meant beat better. i think you know what i was asking though. i asked it in my first post. i dont think its even really comparable who beat better. of course zenyatta has a chance to beat better. but racing in california isnt doing anything for her rep.

i thought sunday silence was better.

Yea, we all know those Cali horse suck, the next time one of them ships across the Miss. and wins it will be the first time.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Yea, we all know those Cali horse suck, the next time one of them ships across the Miss. and wins it will be the first time.

so you think shes been beating good horses in her california races? that is what i meant. beating those horses again doesnt help her rep.

do you think personal ensign beat better horses in her career than zenyatta has?

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Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

so you think shes been beating good horses in her california races? that is what i meant. beating those horses again doesnt help her rep.

do you think personal ensign beat better horses in her career than zenyatta has?

Yes the nod goes to PE on horses to date, but its not this glowing margin that you make it sound like, there have been some quality horses in the past two breeders cups, and she beat a champion horse at Oaklawn.

Life is Sweet aint a crap horse either, she dusted her like a rented mule.

[blackthroatedwind]

I loved Personal Ensign but even I admit that saying Zenyatta isn't in her class is more than unfair. Yeah, she is getting a puzzling campaign ( again ) but come on.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I loved Personal Ensign but even I admit that saying Zenyatta isn't in her class is more than unfair. Yeah, she is getting a puzzling campaign ( again ) but come on.

I dont see how its unfair. Zenyatta could be the best horsey to ever set foot on a racetrack, but when the connections keep putting her in these piss poor races, you just cant get a fair synopsis on her. Even the BCC was extremely weak and on a foreign surface to most of the participants.

If she beats the males, or top females on dirt this year, and wins the BCC again, I will change my tune. So far her only races that haven't been Pepper's Pride-esque (not in terms of actual ability, but quality of races) are the BCC and the previous Oaklawn race.

She could be better than Personal Ensign for all we know.. I'd just like to see it. It doesnt even matter if she loses one or two along the way, she can still prove her greatness.

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont see how its unfair. Zenyatta could be the best horsey to ever set foot on a racetrack, but when the connections keep putting her in these piss poor races, you just cant get a fair synopsis on her. Even the BCC was extremely weak and on a foreign surface to most of the participants.

If she beats the males, or top females on dirt this year, and wins the BCC again, I will change my tune. So far her only races that haven't been Pepper's Pride-esque (not in terms of actual ability, but quality of races) are the BCC and the previous Oaklawn race.

She could be better than Personal Ensign for all we know.. I'd just like to see it. It doesnt even matter if she loses one or two along the way, she can still prove her greatness.

Breeders Cup distaff, Breeders Cup classic, two Apple Blossoms............are you delusional? Give me the races that Personal Ensign was in?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Breeders Cup distaff, Breeders Cup classic, two Apple Blossoms............are you delusional? Give me the races that Personal Ensign was in?

BC Distaff over Winning Colors (better than anyone in last years BCC or the prior years BC Distaff)

Whitney (beats the crap out of last years BCC)

Beldame (twice)

Shuvee

Molly Pitcher

Maskette

Hempstead

Frizette (at 2)


if you really want to compare those two Apple Blossoms to the 5 female races above, than I will throw that delusional statement right back at ya.


Or what about the whole synthetic issue? I will admit, I hate that fucl<ing surface, so I am biased. The BCC and BC Distaff will always be tainted because of the surface In. my. personal. opinion.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

who is a better race horse? Who they beat is not the only component.

Zenyatta has beat a few champions in her career as well.

Who is a better race horse?

Personal Ensign

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Who is a better race horse?

Personal Ensign

very debatable