Muslims have gone too far

[Riot]

What I am saying is that there are plenty of people out there that have concerns about Islam and rightfully so. I certainly have concerns about it and I am critical of the religion at times.

Isn't your concern about this religion rather based in your justified concern for terrorism, that terrorism being presented within the context of something unfamiliar and unknown to you?

Did the horror perpetrated by Timothy McVeigh make you reassess Christianity? To look more closely at it's teachings? How many Christians who kill strangers coldly in the name of their god would it take to scare you? 15% or so? C'mon It's not a number, it's the unfamiliarity.

People like you who are so politically correct, don't think that it's ever proper to question or be critical of a group or religion. You think that any type of criticism equals hate. That is absurd.

Well, the above isn't at all what I have posted about on this board in the least regarding this subject, let alone to close to what I think.

First, "political correctness" has nothing to do with how I think about this. I haven't said one word about being critical of a group or religion. In fact, I support that. Have it it. Be as critical or questioning as you want. I believe one should deeply and seriously question any and all religious beliefs. No, criticism of a religion that does not equal hate in my view at all - it equates to reasoned examination if done objectively.

Objectively.

What I believe - and what I have actually posted - is that I find it reprehensibly immoral and wrong, on a deeply basic human level, to characterize millions of people based upon the acts of a few. To take one common denominator and broadly discredit entire populations.

People hate what they fear.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Isn't your concern about this religion rather based in your justified concern for terrorism, that terrorism being presented within the context of something unfamiliar and unknown to you?

Did the horror perpetrated by Timothy McVeigh make you reassess Christianity? To look more closely at it's teachings? How many Christians who kill strangers coldly in the name of their god would it take to scare you? 15% or so? C'mon It's not a number, it's the unfamiliarity.



Well, the above isn't at all what I have posted about on this board in the least regarding this subject, let alone to close to what I think.

First, "political correctness" has nothing to do with how I think about this. I haven't said one word about being critical of a group or religion. In fact, I support that. Have it it. Be as critical or questioning as you want. I believe one should deeply and seriously question any and all religious beliefs. No, criticism of a religion that does not equal hate in my view at all - it equates to reasoned examination if done objectively.

Objectively.

What I believe - and what I have actually posted - is that I find it reprehensibly immoral and wrong, on a deeply basic human level, to characterize millions of people based upon the acts of a few. To take one common denominator and broadly discredit entire populations.

People hate what they fear.

First of all, Timothy McVeigh did not kill in the name of Christianity. Second, he doesn't have any followers. If Timothy McVeigh had killed in the name of Christianity and if even 10% of Christians supported and admired him, I would be very concerned. I would wonder what Christianity was coming to. And this would be the case even more so, if it wasn't an isolated case. What if it got to the point where there were suicide bombings all the time, in many different countries all in the name of Christianity. I would be extremely concerned and would be critical of Christians who supported it. Would that be bigoted on my part?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

First of all, Timothy McVeigh did not kill in the name of Christianity. Second, he doesn't have any followers. If Timothy McVeigh had killed in the name of Christianity and if even 10% of Christians supported and admired him, I would be very concerned. I would wonder what Christianity was coming to. And this would be the case even more so, if it wasn't an isolated case. What if it got to the point where there were suicide bombings all the time, in many different countries all in the name of Christianity. I would be extremely concerned and would be critical of Christians who supported it. Would that be bigoted on my part?

We were not attacked on 9-11 because we are infidels who are not Islamic. We were attacked because the terrorists didn't like our political policies in the middle east. We were not attacked in the name of religion. We were attacked in the name of politics. Their belief in their god gave them strength.

Tim McVeigh attacked a federal building in the name of politics. His belief in his god gave him strength.

What is the problem - the religion, or the hate the terrorist, domestic or foreign, has for our federal government? It is not the religion.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

We were not attacked on 9-11 because we are infidels who are not Islamic. We were attacked because the terrorists didn't like our political policies in the middle east. We were not attacked in the name of religion. We were attacked in the name of politics. Their belief in their god gave them strength.

Tim McVeigh attacked a federal building in the name of politics. His belief in his god gave him strength.

What is the problem - the religion, or the hate the terrorist, domestic or foreign, has for our federal government? It is not the religion.

Bin Laden's political goals are really a means to an end and that end is about religion. He wants to overthrow governments and put Islamic extremists in power to practice his brand of Islam. The US wants democracy in the Middle East. Bin Laden wants repressive regimes in the Middle East that force people to practice his brand of Islam. Bin Laden obviously does not want us meddling and promoting democracy in the Middle East because that interferes with his goals. So I agree with you that Bin Laden doesn't like our policies in the Middle East but I think the reason he doesn't like them is because they hinder his goal of spreading extremist Islamic ideology in the Middle East. It's not just about politics.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Bin Laden's political goals are really a means to an end and that end is about religion. He wants to overthrow governments and put Islamic extremists in power to practice his brand of Islam.

Yes, his brand. of Islam. Not Islam in general. A narrowly interpreted, personally formed, terroristic view that feeds his own political interests. His political interests are first and foremost. Don't forget his personal heritage and wealth, his origins, his political views during his life.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Bin Laden's political goals are really a means to an end and that end is about religion. He wants to overthrow governments and put Islamic extremists in power to practice his brand of Islam. The US wants democracy in the Middle East. Bin Laden wants repressive regimes in the Middle East that force people to practice his brand of Islam. Bin Laden obviously does not want us meddling and promoting democracy in the Middle East because that interferes with his goals. So I agree with you that Bin Laden doesn't like our policies in the Middle East but I think the reason he doesn't like them is because they hinder his goal of spreading extremist Islamic ideology in the Middle East. It's not just about politics.

I don't know that its bin laden wanting to spread his religion. He hates and has contempt for us, altho he didn't mind our help vs russia back in the day. However I think he uses the shared religion with so many in that area to get them to join his fight because its something they share that sets them apart from us

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

We were not attacked on 9-11 because we are infidels who are not Islamic. We were attacked because the terrorists didn't like our political policies in the middle east. We were not attacked in the name of religion. We were attacked in the name of politics. Their belief in their god gave them strength.

Tim McVeigh attacked a federal building in the name of politics. His belief in his god gave him strength.

What is the problem - the religion, or the hate the terrorist, domestic or foreign, has for our federal government? It is not the religion.

The problem is people like you that make excuses for people that worship scum. I just gave you how many instances of this scum killing people. Not some sidekick. Their f'n prophet. The main dude is cutting people's heads off, because they refuse to believe his crap. We don't have other religions where the prophet is beheading 800-900 people at a time. You wonder why they behead people? Why they fry 3000 people in skyscrapers? Why they stone women to death? It's because they worship this scum that did these things. It's is their "religion" that causes this stuff. It's not politics. It's starts n' ends with that beast they choose to worship. We shouldn't have to live with people that worship a guy who beheaded innocent people. Common sense will tell you that's a loser. Here we have 20-25% of the world's population worshiping a guy that beheaded 800-900 JEWS at a time, and we wonder why these Muslims hunger for Jewish Blood?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The problem is people like you that make excuses for people that worship scum.

The problem is people like you that treat people like scum due to their own hate and fear. Treat the scum like scum. The real problem is terrorism. Thus you are free to keep publically doing that, and I am free to keep publically rejecting your views.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

The problem is people like you that treat people like scum due to their own hate and fear. Treat the scum like scum. The real problem is terrorism. Thus you are free to keep publically doing that, and I am free to keep publically rejecting your views.

Basic problem is that f'n so called religion, and the tarded way apologetics white wash it. Where do you think they got the idea to behead those 2 Jews in those videos? Could it be their own Prophet did the same damn act? They didn't come up with that on their own. They had a teacher. Many of you apologetics are ignoring that it's the core that's rotten. Not just a few of the outer spots on the sides.

[Danzig]

you're right scuds. some muslims are definitely bad people. doesn't mean every last one of them is-which i believe is your contention, and everyone else's reason for arguing the point with you. see, there was this guy named hitler, he lumped in a whole group of people due to their religion, and did his very best to kill every one of them. you sound like him when you go on your rants.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Tim McVeigh attacked a federal building in the name of politics. His belief in his god gave him strength..

You do know McVeigh never belonged to an organized church, christian or other, don't you? But you ALWAYS have all of the inside info about EVERYTHING so I trust he got on his knees numurous times to pray for god's strength on the way to the Federal building? The producers who made the movie should have consulted you.

Now you may be onto something with the David Berkowitz listening to dog voices and terrorist muslams listening to their koran comparison. Not sure they'd appreciate muhammad's teaching to dog voices but maybe the 90% of the good ones you speak of wouldn't behead you.

RIOT I know McVeigh and Berkowitz both had health insurance so it wasn't that.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

You do know McVeigh never belonged to an organized church, christian or other, don't you? But you ALWAYS have all of the inside info about EVERYTHING so I trust he got on his knees numurous times to pray for god's strength on the way to the Federal building? The producers who made the movie should have consulted you.

Now you may be onto something with the David Berkowitz listening to dog voices and terrorist muslams listening to their koran comparison. Not sure they'd appreciate muhammad's teaching to dog voices but maybe the 90% of the good ones you speak of wouldn't behead you.

RIOT I know McVeigh and Berkowitz both had health insurance so it wasn't that.

I didn't say McVeigh did it for religion. I said he did it for politics: his hate of the federal government.

Tim McVeigh's interviews about why he did what he did - his own words during his interrogations - were well publicized. No secret.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I didn't say McVeigh did it for religion. I said he did it for politics: his hate of the federal government.

Tim McVeigh's interviews about why he did what he did - his own words during his interrogations - were well publicized. No secret.

missed the God part. Enlighten us! with quotes not dog voices.

[dellinger63]

and get real you said

RIOT "Did the horror perpetrated by Timothy McVeigh make you reassess Christianity? To look more closely at it's teachings? How many Christians who kill strangers coldly in the name of their god would it take to scare you? 15% or so? C'mon It's not a number, it's the unfamiliarity."


missed the whole anti-gov thing here. You made it up, you were wrong and look like the fool till you retract or create some more heresay. But go ahead that's what you do!