3rd great filly from last year running today!

[Smooth Operator]

The same RVW that Z crushed in the BCC?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

The same RVW that Z crushed in the BCC?

No, this RVW is running on his preferred surface and without foot problems.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

No, this RVW is running on his preferred surface and without foot problems.

Not to mention on his regular continent....six thousand miles from Zenyatta's home base.

Plus, he won't have to fly over those dang Rockies.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

No, this RVW is running on his preferred surface and without foot problems.

So you don't see him making the trip to CD this year for a rematch with Z on her preferred surface?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

So you don't see him making the trip to CD this year for a rematch with Z on her preferred surface?

You don't see Zenyatta playing fairly and meeting him at Royal Ascot.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

So you don't see him making the trip to CD this year for a rematch with Z on her preferred surface?

How do we know this? It can't be because John Sheriffs says so, as anything that's come out of his mouth lately has been utter nonsense.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

The same RVW that Z crushed in the BCC?

No doubt about it: she was LUCKY to beat him.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

No doubt about it: she was LUCKY to beat him.

I think it's only fair that she fly over to Europe to meet him on his home court. I mean, you seem to think Rachel Alexandra should have done the same last Fall....so surely you are disappointed in Zenyatta not running against Rip Van Winkle at Royal Ascot.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think it's only fair that she fly over to Europe to meet him on his home court. I mean, you seem to think Rachel Alexandra should have done the same last Fall....so surely you are disappointed in Zenyatta not running against Rip Van Winkle at Royal Ascot.

Is Dahoss or Mike the EUNUCH coaching you? This was the BC CLASSIC after all. Those that wanted to show up, DID, and got their butts kicked. Those that didn't, only have their supporters to offer excuses. Everything else is just rhetoric from the 'LOSING' side. I know it sucks being on the wrong side. I know it sucks waiting for the BIG HORSE to lose. I know it sucks watching RA spit it out.

What's really interesting, however, is that you're now also pushing the Beyers on TURF. How'd they do with Dear Contender? Didn't quite make on Trips and Traps, either, huh?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Is Dahoss or Mike the EUNUCH coaching you? This was the BC CLASSIC after all. Those that wanted to show up, DID, and got their butts kicked. Those that didn't, only have their supporters to offer excuses. Everything else is just rhetoric from the 'LOSING' side. I know it sucks being on the wrong side. I know it sucks waiting for the BIG HORSE to lose. I know it sucks watching RA spit it out.

What's really interesting, however, is that you're now also pushing the Beyers on TURF. How'd they do with Dear Contender? Didn't quite make on Trips and Traps, either, huh?

How did the 3rd winner at Belmont yesterday do after having one of those " hemmed in down inside " trips that you mock me for talking about?

Different things work. The difference is that you are so dogmatic that you refuse to understand this and insist on mocking others for seeing many sides to the game.

Nice deflection on your Zenyatta nonsense. Then again, you can't answer the question, because all it does is further expose your built-in hypocracy.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

How did the 3rd winner at Belmont yesterday do after having one of those " hemmed in down inside " trips that you mock me for talking about?

Different things work. The difference is that you are so dogmatic that you refuse to understand this and insist on mocking others for seeing many sides to the game.

Nice deflection on your Zenyatta nonsense. Then again, you can't answer the question, because all it does is further expose your built-in hypocracy.

I was in the office all day yesterday and have no idea about what happened at BEL. I'm not dogmatic-- I bet all sorts of trips. Clearly, you can't believe that someone who uses no figures, of any kind, yet has a competitive opinion would be 'dogmatic'? Is Mariano 'dogmatic' because he only relies on a single pitch?

I also don't think I mock any more than anyone else here.

Once upon a time you were a trip handicapper. Now, you're a NYRA and DRF/BEYER shill. You're indoctrinated and the best part of what you do/represent is suppressed for the 'cause'. You're clearly the Christopher Clavius of present day racing.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Once upon a time you were a trip handicapper. Now, you're a NYRA and DRF/BEYER shill. You're indoctrinated and the best part of what you do/represent is suppressed for the 'cause'. You're clearly the Christopher Clavius of present day racing.

This is as laughable as it is disgraceful.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Once upon a time you were a trip handicapper. Now, you're a NYRA and DRF/BEYER shill. You're indoctrinated and the best part of what you do/represent is suppressed for the 'cause'. You're clearly the Christopher Clavius of present day racing.

Now that I have the time to answer this crap in more detail.....

I work for NYRA, so of course I promote what we do, but whether you like it or not, I also happen to believe in what we are doing, whether they are the best of times or less so. I neither lie to nor deceive people....nor would I ever. As for the BEYER/DRF shill comment.....this is utter BS. I have used the DRF Formulator product for many years, and always felt it was the best available product, and am proud if in any way I have helped even one horseplayer by bringing it to their attention. As for Beyer, please find ONE other public handicapper that intelligently disagrees with specific figures, on the air, even 1/10th as much as I do. Just because I say why, and do it in a fair manner, does not mean I am shilling or defending them. And, feel free to ask Beyer if there is anyone that discusses differences of opinion over figures more with him than I do outside of his business associates.

As for the rest, where you suggest what I do has been suppressed....this is the biggest pile of sh it you have ever laid on any message board....and that's saying something. I am forthright in my discussion of races, trips, and rides, and I dare you to prove otherwise with actual examples.

This was a disgraceful cheap shot on your part....and frankly you should know a lot better. I don't care if someone doesn't like my style, or agree with my opinion, or even like me....but if you are going to criticize me, do yourself the favor of doing it with at least some accuracy.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I also don't think I mock any more than anyone else here.

You can't be this self-deluded. I think if I ever saw a thread in The Paddock that didn't include you repeatedly using the about someone or something, my head would explode.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

How did the 3rd winner at Belmont yesterday do after having one of those " hemmed in down inside " trips that you mock me for talking about?

Green Bananas?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Green Bananas?

Instead of being a man and apologizing for your disgraceful cheap shots you pick up that I had the wrong race ( it was the 4th ).

You're a sorry excuse for a human being.