Obama's Oil Spill

joeydb · #1 05-26-2010, 06:26 AM

Ed Schultz, as blue as blue gets, now says what most of us are thinking:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...oil_spill.html

After all, if the liberals can jump on George Bush after 3 days for Hurricane Katrina, Obama can get some heat after 35 days of "hope and change" while actually doing nothing.

Danzig · #2 05-26-2010, 06:30 AM

i'm sure obama is hoping it gets taken care of soon.

timmgirvan · #3 05-26-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm sure obama is hoping it gets taken care of soon.

Man of Action, he ain't!

brianwspencer · #4 05-26-2010, 12:33 PM

It's getting ridiculous now.

joeydb · #5 05-26-2010, 12:57 PM

I wonder if anyone will suggest that Obama is a racist since most of the shrimp fisherman affected are white, kind of like the reverse of the Katrina situation.

Paybacks are brutal...

brianwspencer · #6 05-26-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb

I wonder if anyone will suggest that Obama is a racist since most of the shrimp fisherman affected are white, kind of like the reverse of the Katrina situation.

Paybacks are brutal...

Are shrimp fishermen dying?*

Absolutely awful comparisons are brutal.

* said from the agreeable POV that Bush's handling of Katrina was not racist, just pathetic.

#7 05-26-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Are shrimp fishermen dying?*

Absolutely awful comparisons are brutal.

* said from the agreeable POV that Bush's handling of Katrina was not racist, just pathetic.

Would the response be any different?

Face it, your boy is a slapdick.

joeydb · #8 05-26-2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Would the response be any different?

Face it, your boy is a slapdick.

Exactly -- it's the response time that's being compared.

brianwspencer · #9 05-26-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Would the response be any different?

Face it, your boy is a slapdick.

An interesting hypothetical....but definitely not at all what joey was asking in that post I responded to.

#10 05-26-2010, 01:18 PM

At least Bush had a legitimate excuse. He is borderline retarded.

Obama made all of these promises and so far is a colossal failure. His only excuse is a lack of experience and the blame solely falls on my generation, the one full of retards, putting him in office.

#11 05-26-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

An interesting hypothetical....but definitely not at all what joey was asking in that post I responded to.

The majority of people that died were beyond helping. The blame falls on Nagin and the clueless fat broad who was Governor at the time. The evacuation was a clusterf.uck of epic proportions.

Multiple administrations are to blame for the levees not being up to par.

joeydb · #12 05-26-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

At least Bush had a legitimate excuse. He is borderline retarded.

Obama made all of these promises and so far is a colossal failure. His only excuse is a lack of experience and the blame solely falls on my generation, the one full of retards, putting him in office.

I can exempt myself from that blame: I didn't vote for him.

Cheer up though -- I don't know that more experience would have helped Obama because of his extraordinarily warped leftist point of view.

brianwspencer · #13 05-26-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The majority of people that died were beyond helping. The blame falls on Nagin and the clueless fat broad who was Governor at the time. The evacuation was a clusterf.uck of epic proportions.

Multiple administrations are to blame for the levees not being up to par.

Don't disagree entirely, take that up with Kanye, but not at all germane to joey's original ridiculous question.

joeydb · #14 05-26-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Don't disagree entirely, take that up with Kanye, but not at all germane to joey's original ridiculous question.

It wasn't a ridiculous question -- it wasn't a serious one. But it does highlight the ridiculous double standard used by the media, since there are similarities in the scale of the two disasters, and the fact that both were not acted on immediately.

Three days is a lot closer to immediate than 37 days is though.

brianwspencer · #15 05-26-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb

It wasn't a ridiculous question -- it wasn't a serious one. But it does highlight the ridiculous double standard used by the media, since there are similarities in the scale of the two disasters, and the fact that both were not acted on immediately.

Three days is a lot closer to immediate than 37 days is though.

If that's meant to highlight a double standard for the media, then it also highlights a complete inability on your part to discern whether dying is the same as losing your livelihood. If you think that those two things are on equal footing to try to "highlight" anything, then we may simply have entirely different worldviews.

I mean, we may as well ask while we're at it -- unemployment is high in the country, and there are more white folks in America than anyone else, and Obama's in charge, so that would almost certainly make him a racist too, right? Same thing as people dying, completely, I see no difference whatsoever.

#16 05-26-2010, 01:32 PM

It wasn't a horrible comparison...maybe not the best one, however.

The fishing industry is kapoot in the Gulf. The people who are affected by this might as well be dead. It's not like the majority of them are highly educated. How are they going to provide for their families now? The settlement checks some of them are taking now will prevent them from suing BP in the future and the ones who wait it out for the lawsuit will be waiting for years.

This disaster was preventable and only happened because of the powerful oil lobby and corrupt government employees who took bribes and turned a blind eye to the safety violations.

joeydb · #17 05-26-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

If that's meant to highlight a double standard for the media, then it also highlights a complete inability on your part to discern whether dying is the same as losing your livelihood. If you think that those two things are on equal footing to try to "highlight" anything, then we may simply have entirely different worldviews.

I mean, we may as well ask while we're at it -- unemployment is high in the country, and there are more white folks in America than anyone else, and Obama's in charge, so that would almost certainly make him a racist too, right? Same thing as people dying, completely, I see no difference whatsoever.

You're missing the point -- can we agree that race did not belong in either assessment of the response to the respective crises?

In otherwords, will the left admit, now that their guy can be viewed the same way, that Bush was not in fact a racist as a result of his handling of the Katrina aftermath?

Of course, I'd also expect all the public figures who said that Bush had special forces people detonating the levees to also retract their statements and issue an apology to Bush and his family.

Thunder Gulch · #18 05-26-2010, 01:35 PM

In 5 + weeks since this deal started, our President has barely commented on the situation other than to appoint some special commission to affix blame 6 months from now. Meanwhile, there is no coordination and little help from the feds while fishermen organize themselves to wage an impossible battle against an approaching oil slick. Obama was more concerned with the primary elections, the semantics of a state immigration bill he hasn't read, and the campaign for his Supreme Court appointee, while the Gulf of Mexico has been ruined for a generation.

If he really had his "boot on the throat of BP" he would have taken this deal over very early on. This isn't about policy, point of view, party lines, or vision for the future, this is about taking charge in a crisis to demand action and limit the damage, and this is a miserable failure. The question about his leadership in a crisis has been answered, and it leaves this country with a scary outlook for his term his President.

brianwspencer · #19 05-26-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The fishing industry is kapoot in the Gulf. The people who are affected by this might as well be dead. It's not like the majority of them are highly educated. How are they going to provide for their families now?

Wow.

I see no reasonable way to compare dying to losing a job. Not even if you're uneducated, not even if you lose your livelihood, not for anything, since you know, you're still NOT DEAD.

brianwspencer · #20 05-26-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb

You're missing the point -- can we agree that race did not belong in either assessment of the response to the respective crises?

In otherwords, will the left admit, now that their guy can be viewed the same way, that Bush was not in fact a racist as a result of his handling of the Katrina aftermath?

Of course, I'd also expect all the public figures who said that Bush had special forces people detonating the levees to also retract their statements and issue an apology to Bush and his family.

I was not aware that "Bush is a racist" was the left's party line on the handling on Katrina. For some, sure, but not as a whole I don't believe. So unfortunately, I'm not able to answer this question the way you've framed because I reject it out of hand.

Race shouldn't be involved in any discussion of the response to these disasters -- that I can agree on, but the whole apology from the left, retractions, etc, I can't get behind because like I said, you've framed it in a way that I don't believe is accurate to begin with.