Standing ovation

[Riot]

Whatever measures used to stop Illegal Immgration needs to be very forceful. We need to punish those who hire them. Even if the illegals have fake papers to show, employers should be fined if it's found that THEY HAVE AN ILLEGAL WORKING FOR THEM.

The amount of racial profiling that would occur if your employer scenario was enacted would dwarf the supposed racial profiling that this law supposedly causes.

You guys are both unawares of the Arizona law (around for some time now) strictly prohibiting hiring of illegal immigrants, with tough sanctions and fines for doing so?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

You guys are both unawares of the Arizona law (around for some time now) strictly prohibiting hiring of illegal immigrants, with tough sanctions and fines for doing so?

This is a National problem, and laws are only followed when they are enforced.

[Princess Doreen]

Rep. Tom McClintock - R/CA - response to Mexican President Calderon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JDo36xPYgE

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

This is a National problem, and laws are only followed when they are enforced.

The entire City of Chicago is an immigrant safe zone meaning Chicago cops, inspectors, social service workers etc. etc. are ordered not to question immigration status. Without enforcement there might as well be no law.

Incidentally the City of Chicago also saw fit to re-interpret the 2nd amendment outlawing a citizen from owning or possessing a handgun (even in their own residence). For that I HOPE they are severely punished very, very soon.

PS Il. Senator Roland Burris was found to have a gun in his house but wasn't punished after giving the excuse he didn't know it was there. An extra spoon or fork I can understand but forgetting you have a gun? Must be pretty gangsta' if that is true!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You guys are both unawares of the Arizona law (around for some time now) strictly prohibiting hiring of illegal immigrants, with tough sanctions and fines for doing so?

I am aware of federal laws that knowingly hire illegals. The onus is only on the business owner if he knows he is employing illegals. Proving that isnt so easy if he has accurately filled out I-9's.

[Danzig]

honestly, i don't know why anyone concerns themselves at all about illegal immigrants. neither party wishes to do a damn thing about it. both sides benefit from illegals. the govt conceded that with illegals paying in, but not taking out of social security, is one reason the program remains solvent. as for them costing us with welfare and the like, i doubt many illegals ask for public aid, as the last thing they want or need is to let anyone know they're around. is it an issue? obviously? does anyone know how to fix the issue? doesn't appear to be the case.

Originally Posted by Danzig

honestly, i don't know why anyone concerns themselves at all about illegal immigrants. neither party wishes to do a damn thing about it. both sides benefit from illegals. the govt conceded that with illegals paying in, but not taking out of social security, is one reason the program remains solvent. as for them costing us with welfare and the like, i doubt many illegals ask for public aid, as the last thing they want or need is to let anyone know they're around. is it an issue? obviously? does anyone know how to fix the issue? doesn't appear to be the case.

Nobody has the balls to fix the issue. We're being controlled by a bunch of MIKE THE EUNUCHS.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Nobody has the balls to fix the issue. We're being controlled by a bunch of MIKE THE EUNUCHS.

you're right. the people in control won't do anything. they're more worried about getting re-elected than doing anything.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

honestly, i don't know why anyone concerns themselves at all about illegal immigrants.

DUH...Almost every other country cares. For some reason, we aren't supposed to care? The benefits aren't evenly dispersed , but the costs are. Schooling kids isn't cheap. Mainly, this is a sovereign country, and we have every right to decide how people can become citizens, and what to do with people who illegally stay here. Dems are just as backward on this as the Reps are on healthcare. One of the goals of well-intentioned programs should be to actually improve as a country. Illegal Immigration makes it impossible to do that. If we have poor people, then we need to work on that problem. You simply can't do that if you're constantly increasing the amount of poor people by allowing illegal immigration. It shows me that most DEMS aren't really interested in improving a problem in their country. They're acting irresponsibly. Everything about illegal immigration is irresponsible. We need to solve the problems in our own country. Illegal Immigration is about taking on the problems of other countries. Now, there's nothing wrong with taking on the problem (poor people in other countries) as individual Americans. However, this should not be a problem our country's Gov't has to pay for.

[Nascar1966]

It appears that the Rebuplicans have some pride in this country unlike the ass kissing Democrats. If these people like Calderon this much do us all a favor and go live in Mexico. If they want to take a chance on getting shot at more power to them. I think O'Dumbass and the majority of the Democrats who make up Congress should be impeached. Just like Sean Hannity said on his show O'Dumbass is an embarrassment to this country. Its a shame we still have over two years to put up with this unpatriotic President. Why doesn't O'Dumbass go to Mexico and kiss Calderon's face some more. The Governor of Arizona should be applauded for taking the steps in trying to combat these dispictable illegals who get more things than legal Americans. Im hoping more states take charge just like Arizona has. O'Dumbass sure isn't going to do anything about the illegals. If I was President after Calderon put down Arizona I would tell him to get the hell out the country and don't ever come back and the money he gets from this country would be cut. America should be taking care of Americans not everyone else as it seems to be.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

It appears that the Rebuplicans have some pride in this country unlike the ass kissing Democrats. If these people like Calderon this much do us all a favor and go live in Mexico. If they want to take a chance on getting shot at more power to them. I think O'Dumbass and the majority of the Democrats who make up Congress should be impeached. Just like Sean Hannity said on his show O'Dumbass is an embarrassment to this country. Its a shame we still have over two years to put up with this unpatriotic President. Why doesn't O'Dumbass go to Mexico and kiss Calderon's face some more. The Governor of Arizona should be applauded for taking the steps in trying to combat these dispictable illegals who get more things than legal Americans. Im hoping more states take charge just like Arizona has. O'Dumbass sure isn't going to do anything about the illegals. If I was President after Calderon put down Arizona I would tell him to get the hell out the country and don't ever come back and the money he gets from this country would be cut. America should be taking care of Americans not everyone else as it seems to be.

Sorry man...4 more years

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Sorry man...4 more years

Time will tell my friend.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Sorry man...4 more years

This country will really be screwed if it happens.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

DUH...Almost every other country cares. For some reason, we aren't supposed to care? The benefits aren't evenly dispersed , but the costs are. Schooling kids isn't cheap. Mainly, this is a sovereign country, and we have every right to decide how people can become citizens, and what to do with people who illegally stay here.

Amen my friend.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

DUH...Almost every other country cares. For some reason, we aren't supposed to care? The benefits aren't evenly dispersed , but the costs are. Schooling kids isn't cheap. Mainly, this is a sovereign country, and we have every right to decide how people can become citizens, and what to do with people who illegally stay here. Dems are just as backward on this as the Reps are on healthcare. One of the goals of well-intentioned programs should be to actually improve as a country. Illegal Immigration makes it impossible to do that. If we have poor people, then we need to work on that problem. You simply can't do that if you're constantly increasing the amount of poor people by allowing illegal immigration. It shows me that most DEMS aren't really interested in improving a problem in their country. They're acting irresponsibly. Everything about illegal immigration is irresponsible. We need to solve the problems in our own country. Illegal Immigration is about taking on the problems of other countries. Now, there's nothing wrong with taking on the problem (poor people in other countries) as individual Americans. However, this should not be a problem our country's Gov't has to pay for.

i meant as individuals. we can't do anything about it, except thru our govt, who can't or won't be bothered. i'm not going to lose sleep over worrying something i have no control over-the ones who can control it won't.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

honestly, i don't know why anyone concerns themselves at all about illegal immigrants. neither party wishes to do a damn thing about it. both sides benefit from illegals. the govt conceded that with illegals paying in, but not taking out of social security, is one reason the program remains solvent. as for them costing us with welfare and the like, i doubt many illegals ask for public aid, as the last thing they want or need is to let anyone know they're around. is it an issue? obviously? does anyone know how to fix the issue? doesn't appear to be the case.

I care about the illegals. Everyone's taxpaying money is being undeservingly being wasted on the thugs. They want to live in this country yet they disrespect our flag and they don't want to learn our lanuage. Maybe we should start burning the Mexican flag? You have pregnant women crossing into this country giving birth in the US hoping that they can also become a legal US citizen next thing you know grandma and grandpaw want to come to this country. Our taxpayer's money can be put to better use than supporting these worthless unintelligent illegals. That child that was born in this country should not be able to become a US citizen.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am aware of federal laws that knowingly hire illegals. The onus is only on the business owner if he knows he is employing illegals. Proving that isnt so easy if he has accurately filled out I-9's.

No, I am talking about Arizona state law. Nothing to do with federal law.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, I am talking about Arizona state law. Nothing to do with federal law.

No I have absolutely no expertise in Arizona state law, I suppose that disqualifies me from commenting further.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No I have absolutely no expertise in Arizona state law, I suppose that disqualifies me from commenting further.

I guess if you didn't realize it even existed, you can't comment on it's enforcement or effectiveness.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I guess if you didn't realize it even existed, you can't comment on it's enforcement or effectiveness.

I'm sure you will enlighten us