I always thought Shaughnessy was an idiot but...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Well I'm glad that's cleared up now.....

Lebron's in Pistol Pete's class as a passer....

Dribbles better than Cousy....

Shoots better than Jerry West or Bird....

Knows more about the game than Jackson and Auerbach...

Rebounds better than Russell....

Thanks for getting my mind back on track, LeBron's not hype he's just the best ever.

Does he need to do all of those individual things as well as those guys to be a better player than any of those people that you named?

You said he doesnt have excellent passing skills. This is the first time that I have heard anyone say that but I disagree.

Is Lebron James a more dominant player than any of those players that you named? Russell is the the only one in the same realm.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Does he need to do all of those individual things as well as those guys to be a better player than any of those people that you named?

You said he doesnt have excellent passing skills. This is the first time that I have heard anyone say that but I disagree.

Is Lebron James a more dominant player than any of those players that you named? Russell is the the only one in the same realm.

I have to say.. that Bird guy was pretty darn good and dominant..

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I have to say.. that Bird guy was pretty darn good and dominant..

Bird was a great player. But could he do for a team what Lebron does? Bird, for all of his great play, was a defensive liability man to man. When the Celts played the lakers, Mchale guarded worthy-not bird.

Bird was lucky enough to have Mchale, Parish, DJ. Sure he made them better but what does he do with Lebron's supporting cast?

Your point is valid though and you could certainly argue it.

[docicu3]

This has certainly become far more spirited than I imagined when I threw this out there but in retrospect let me clear something up that I mispoke/wrote.

I should have been more definitive about separating ball handling and passing. I should have just left this critical remark to ball handling and even then a lot of even this is my disdain for what passes for dribbling as opposed to palming or carrying in the NBA currently. LeBron is a better passer than he is a ball handler. The point of the article above was mostly a knock on his dribbling and ball handling skills not his passing.

And before we waste a lot of time and energy here on how common a carry is in the NBA, yes Jordan made it an art form, but Lebron is even worse. Iverson was another incredible felon with this.

We are not going to agree on alot of this but that's okay, if we did it would be boring as hell.

[Antitrust32]

They all palm the ball these days. Only gets called at the High School level.

[Cannon Shell]

Name one thing that LBJ cant do? If he decided to become a post up player do you think he wouldnt be the best low post scorer in the NBA? He has the vision of a top point guard, is a very good rebounder, excellent on ball and help defender, has the most range of any player alive, is unstopable in the open court, is as fast as anybody end to end, is as good an athlete as anyone and is 6'8" 260 and 25 years old.

He is like a ringer you create in a videogame, except he isnt fake, he is real.

This is the first year that he deserves some heat if they dont get the ring or get beat in a 7 game series. His previous teams were all fatally flawed but this team has the right mix of athletic role players, a low post presence, a complimentary star with a unique game and a ton of depth. They play defense, shoot well, are deadly in transistion and can go 9 deep without much drop off in production. Horseofcourse made a great point when he said they are prone to missing Ft's which may cause them to blow a close game.

But they are going to polish off the celtics in 5 and I believe that orlando isnt nearly a tough of a matchup for them as they were last year with Hedo as they are with Carter. Sure Nelson is playing well but they lost the unique dimension that Turgolu gave them and Cleveland matches up fine with them.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Name one thing that LBJ cant do? If he decided to become a post up player do you think he wouldnt be the best low post scorer in the NBA? He has the vision of a top point guard, is a very good rebounder, excellent on ball and help defender, has the most range of any player alive, is unstopable in the open court, is as fast as anybody end to end, is as good an athlete as anyone and is 6'8" 260 and 25 years old.

He is like a ringer you create in a videogame, except he isnt fake, he is real.

This is the first year that he deserves some heat if they dont get the ring or get beat in a 7 game series. His previous teams were all fatally flawed but this team has the right mix of athletic role players, a low post presence, a complimentary star with a unique game and a ton of depth. They play defense, shoot well, are deadly in transistion and can go 9 deep without much drop off in production. Horseofcourse made a great point when he said they are prone to missing Ft's which may cause them to blow a close game.

But they are going to polish off the celtics in 5 and I believe that orlando isnt nearly a tough of a matchup for them as they were last year with Hedo as they are with Carter. Sure Nelson is playing well but they lost the unique dimension that Turgolu gave them and Cleveland matches up fine with them.

I agree with what you are saying. Still, I wouldnt underestimate the magic. Nelson is a huge component that they were missing last year. Vince, half man-half retired, can still have his moments.

They played their best ball the second half of the season. Look at their record over the last forty games.

They are live again and this year i think the winner comes out of the east.