Quality Road's schedule

ateamstupid · #1 04-15-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Since the Donn, name one prestigious race he could have won that would have helped his HotY campaign?
The connections are taking the exact same approach to the year that I would have done.
Personally, from fan's prospective, I wish he would run in the Foster at CD against possibly Zenyatta and Rachel. From the connection's perspective, the Met Mile is a much better race to win to form a Stallion resume.

The Oaklawn Handicap that went to effing Duke of Mischief, perhaps? The New Orleans H. is better than nothing as well. I love it how people constantly say we have too many stakes races, then when somebody skips 2-3 months with a horse, many of those same people go "well where could he have run?"

tector · #2 04-15-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The Oaklawn Handicap that went to effing Duke of Mischief, perhaps? The New Orleans H. is better than nothing as well. I love it how people constantly say we have too many stakes races, then when somebody skips 2-3 months with a horse, many of those same people go "well where could he have run?"

You mean that Grade II race in Arkansas, that back in the late 80s and early 90s had a lot of excellent horses win it, but not that many since then? That Oaklawn Handicap?

ateamstupid · #3 04-15-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tector

You mean that Grade II race in Arkansas, that back in the late 80s and early 90s had a lot of excellent horses win it, but not that many since then? That Oaklawn Handicap?

Oh noes! A Grade II! Surely that would've severely damaged QR's pride and turned his stud value into a negative billion dollars.

tector · #4 04-15-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Oh noes! A Grade II! Surely that would've severely damaged QR's pride and turned his stud value into a negative billion dollars.

Another idiot heard from.

No one said that, except the imaginary person you are debating (they are so much easier to convince!).

The point is a Grade II does zero for him, not that it hurts him.

Nobody else of note showed up for the damn race, either, by the way.

Thunder Gulch · #5 04-15-2010, 02:28 PM

With fragile animals and the "sheet" guys making their case, you just aren't going to see anyone run 10 graded races like Cigar did in the mid 90's.

tector · #6 04-15-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

With fragile animals and the "sheet" guys making their case, you just aren't going to see anyone run 10 graded races like Cigar did in the mid 90's.

I believe when Cigar won the Oaklawn, it was a Grade 1.

RolloTomasi · #7 04-15-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tector

I believe when Cigar won the Oaklawn, it was a Grade 1.

Apparently, you also believe everything the Graded Stakes Committee tells you.

Can't wait for the Eclipse Awards.

That's when the real racing begins.

ateamstupid · #8 04-15-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tector

Another idiot heard from.

No one said that, except the imaginary person you are debating (they are so much easier to convince!).

The point is a Grade II does zero for him, not that it hurts him.

Nobody else of note showed up for the damn race, either, by the way.

And my point is that top racehorses' campaigns shouldn't be restricted to just 100-year-old Grade I's that attract superstars annually. Running the horse because he's fit and good would probably be fun too.

tector · #9 04-15-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And my point is that top racehorses' campaigns shouldn't be restricted to just 100-year-old Grade I's that attract superstars annually. Running the horse because he's fit and good would probably be fun too.

No doubt on that. But the game is not about "fun" that much, especially nowadays, especially at that level.

tector · #10 04-15-2010, 01:31 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oaklawn...cap_since_1969

RolloTomasi · #11 04-15-2010, 02:01 PM

Yep. What a shi!t race.

In the last decade alone it has attracted only BC Classic winners, Dubai World Cup winners, Donn Handicap winners (go figure), Strub winners, Big Cap winners, Woodward winners, Whitney winners, Pimlico Special winners, etc.

How about the Grade 1 Carter at 7f instead?

tector · #12 04-15-2010, 02:14 PM

What does a Grade II race do for him, for HOY or breeding?

Jesus, what a non-issue.

RolloTomasi · #13 04-15-2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tector

What does a Grade II race do for him, for HOY or breeding?

Jesus, what a non-issue.

That is to say, what does racing do for his HOY chances or his campaign towards the breeding shed?

tector · #14 04-15-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

That is to say, what does racing do for his HOY chances or his campaign towards the breeding shed?

That's not what I said, so spare me your "that is to say" BS.

A grade II race is insignificant to him. If he needed a race as a prep, they work. Otherwise, who gives a damn?

DaTruth · #15 04-15-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The New Orleans H. is better than nothing as well.

The New Orleans Handicap has attracted some very nice horses over the last 10-15 years: Real Quiet, Funny Cide, Peace Rules, St. Liam, Concern, Ten Most Wanted, Deputy Commander, Ecton Park, Golden Missile, Mineshaft, Include, Badge of Silver, etc. You could make a argument that the rise in stature of the New Orleans Handicap has come at the expense of the Oaklawn Handicap.

ateamstupid · #16 04-15-2010, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth

The New Orleans Handicap has attracted some very nice horses over the last 10-15 years: Real Quiet, Funny Cide, Peace Rules, St. Liam, Concern, Ten Most Wanted, Deputy Commander, Ecton Park, Golden Missile, Mineshaft, Include, Badge of Silver, etc. You could make a argument that the rise in stature of the New Orleans Handicap has come at the expense of the Oaklawn Handicap.

BUT IT'S A GRADE II!!!1!1!!1!one1one

RolloTomasi · #17 04-15-2010, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth

The New Orleans Handicap has attracted some very nice horses over the last 10-15 years: Real Quiet, Funny Cide, Peace Rules, St. Liam, Concern, Ten Most Wanted, Deputy Commander, Ecton Park, Golden Missile, Mineshaft, Include, Badge of Silver, etc. You could make a argument that the rise in stature of the New Orleans Handicap has come at the expense of the Oaklawn Handicap.

Actually, many of those made their next start in the Oaklawn Handicap. Not sure if the NO Handicap has been repositioned along with the LA Derby, but in previous years it was a no-brainer to go from one to the other.

The Dubai World Cup and trainer's wanting to "save" their horses for the Breeder's Cup is the main culprit here, IMO.

DaTruth · #18 04-15-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Actually, many of those made their next start in the Oaklawn Handicap. Not sure if the NO Handicap has been repositioned along with the LA Derby, but in previous years it was a no-brainer to go from one to the other.

The Dubai World Cup and trainer's wanting to "save" their horses for the Breeder's Cup is the main culprit here, IMO.

The Oaklawn Handicap used to be the logical next start for horses that ran in the New Orleans Hcp. You'd be surprised how much things have changed. It might have to do with purse changes (Oaklawn Hcp was reduced to $500k in 2002 and the NO Hcp was increased to $500k in 1998), as the NO Hcp became a rich early spring objective.

Of the horses I mentioned earlier, only Concern, St. Liam, and Peace Rules went on to run in the Oaklawn Handicap after starting in the NO Hcp.

Here is a list of horses since 2000 (I won't include 2006 since the race was run at LaD b/c of Katrina) who ran in the NO Hcp and the Oaklawn Hcp in the same year:

2000: Allen's Oop, Pleasant Breeze.
2001: No runners.
2002: Graeme Hall.
2003: No runners.
2004: Peace Rules, St. Liam, Sir Cherokee.
2005: Second of June, Limehouse.
2007: Smokeyjonesutton.
2008: Circular Quay, Reporting For Duty, Silver Lord.
2009: Its A Bird, Secret Getaway, Honest Man.
2010: No runners.

richard · #19 04-16-2010, 12:51 AM

I can't see where Quality Road's pedigree is terribly compelling for breeding. It's the oft seen Mr Prospector/Northern Dancer lines cross . The best thing for him is plenty of rest when he has 2 Raise A Natives (4x4) , which can be problematic for soundness as well.

His breeding is basically a repeat of his sire's predigree. Elusive Quality is Mr Prospector/Northern Dancer and so is QR. Even the family's of both trace to Frizette . The immediate impression would be that outcrossing QR is advised.

ateamstupid · #20 06-04-2010, 06:56 PM

Making his next start in the Whitney, with one more after that before the BCC. Really, do what you want with the horse, but stop with the "he barely took a deep breath after the race!" propaganda BS if you're giving him another 2 1/2 months off.

How come hardly anyone with balls ever gets good horses?