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![]() Oh noes! A Grade II! Surely that would've severely damaged QR's pride and turned his stud value into a negative billion dollars.
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No one said that, except the imaginary person you are debating (they are so much easier to convince!). The point is a Grade II does zero for him, not that it hurts him. Nobody else of note showed up for the damn race, either, by the way. |
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![]() With fragile animals and the "sheet" guys making their case, you just aren't going to see anyone run 10 graded races like Cigar did in the mid 90's.
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![]() I believe when Cigar won the Oaklawn, it was a Grade 1.
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![]() Apparently, you also believe everything the Graded Stakes Committee tells you.
Can't wait for the Eclipse Awards. That's when the real racing begins. |
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![]() And my point is that top racehorses' campaigns shouldn't be restricted to just 100-year-old Grade I's that attract superstars annually. Running the horse because he's fit and good would probably be fun too.
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![]() No doubt on that. But the game is not about "fun" that much, especially nowadays, especially at that level.
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![]() Yep. What a shi!t race.
In the last decade alone it has attracted only BC Classic winners, Dubai World Cup winners, Donn Handicap winners (go figure), Strub winners, Big Cap winners, Woodward winners, Whitney winners, Pimlico Special winners, etc. How about the Grade 1 Carter at 7f instead? |
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![]() What does a Grade II race do for him, for HOY or breeding?
Jesus, what a non-issue. |
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![]() That is to say, what does racing do for his HOY chances or his campaign towards the breeding shed?
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A grade II race is insignificant to him. If he needed a race as a prep, they work. Otherwise, who gives a damn? |
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![]() The New Orleans Handicap has attracted some very nice horses over the last 10-15 years: Real Quiet, Funny Cide, Peace Rules, St. Liam, Concern, Ten Most Wanted, Deputy Commander, Ecton Park, Golden Missile, Mineshaft, Include, Badge of Silver, etc. You could make a argument that the rise in stature of the New Orleans Handicap has come at the expense of the Oaklawn Handicap.
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The Dubai World Cup and trainer's wanting to "save" their horses for the Breeder's Cup is the main culprit here, IMO. |
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Of the horses I mentioned earlier, only Concern, St. Liam, and Peace Rules went on to run in the Oaklawn Handicap after starting in the NO Hcp. Here is a list of horses since 2000 (I won't include 2006 since the race was run at LaD b/c of Katrina) who ran in the NO Hcp and the Oaklawn Hcp in the same year: 2000: Allen's Oop, Pleasant Breeze. 2001: No runners. 2002: Graeme Hall. 2003: No runners. 2004: Peace Rules, St. Liam, Sir Cherokee. 2005: Second of June, Limehouse. 2007: Smokeyjonesutton. 2008: Circular Quay, Reporting For Duty, Silver Lord. 2009: Its A Bird, Secret Getaway, Honest Man. 2010: No runners.
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Still trying to outsmart me, aren't you, mule-skinner? You want me to think that you don't want me to go down there, but the subtle truth is you really don't want me to go down there! |
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![]() I can't see where Quality Road's pedigree is terribly compelling for breeding. It's the oft seen Mr Prospector/Northern Dancer lines cross . The best thing for him is plenty of rest when he has 2 Raise A Natives (4x4) , which can be problematic for soundness as well.
His breeding is basically a repeat of his sire's predigree. Elusive Quality is Mr Prospector/Northern Dancer and so is QR. Even the family's of both trace to Frizette . The immediate impression would be that outcrossing QR is advised.
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Tom Cooley photo Last edited by richard : 04-16-2010 at 01:03 AM. |
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![]() Making his next start in the Whitney, with one more after that before the BCC. Really, do what you want with the horse, but stop with the "he barely took a deep breath after the race!" propaganda BS if you're giving him another 2 1/2 months off.
How come hardly anyone with balls ever gets good horses? |