Crist on the Farcical World Cup

blackthroatedwind · #1 03-30-2010, 01:39 PM

And I thought I was a shill.

PatCummings · #2 03-30-2010, 05:33 PM

Oh, it's shilly.

It isn't dirt, American racing, it isn't turf racing - as always, it is what it is. People don't like it when what they see doesn't fit into their preconceived notion of what is or is not ______ (good, bad, competitive, lackluster, etc)

And no one will ever assemble the field of all fields that will be the best in horse racing, someone will be missing somewhere. And just because there is a $10 million purse for the big one doesn't indicate it is the best race ever...

So Sheikh Mo says it is the best ever - what else do we expect from him? He's trying to market his own product.

The result on Saturday was absolutely the best thing he could have expected...when it comes down to it...he wants top horses to run in the Carnival and make the racing there as good as possible, which will therefore prop up the Dubai World Cup to an even stronger status.

Why not run for minimum purses of $110,000 while prepping for a $10 million race.

The schedule isn't perfect - nothing is...timing will always be off for some.

When the great American horses, previous winners of the race, were victorious, it was almost always a two or three horse race with bunch of nameless plodders filling the field. $10 million and the Tapeta is different. There were 11 G1 winners in this year's edition, and not surprisingly, those acclimated to race day conditions did the best.

If anything, I think the 2010 Dubai World Cup has provided a great blueprint for those who would like to have some success in future years. If American horsemen chose to engage, great...if not, their loss...because someone will pick up the slack.

the_fat_man · #3 03-30-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings

If anything, I think the 2010 Dubai World Cup has provided a great blueprint for those who would like to have some success in future years. If American horsemen chose to engage, great...if not, their loss...because someone will pick up the slack.

Unlike some of the others here, I IGNORED the event. A 'great blueprint', IMO, would, at least, include some results files. Let me get this straight, they have all this money over there YET they can't hire someone to do FULL (and ACCURATE) results charts? How the **** do they expect anyone with a brain to bet those horses: BEYERS figures?

I mean, no matter how you cut it, this is still a 3rd world operation. Maybe the Sheik can get his lazy ass over to the Hong Kong Jockey Club site and see what a PROFESSIONAL, CUTTING EDGE operation looks like.

PatCummings · #4 03-30-2010, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Unlike some of the others here, I IGNORED the event. A 'great blueprint', IMO, would, at least, include some results files. Let me get this straight, they have all this money over there YET they can't hire someone to do FULL (and ACCURATE) results charts? How the **** do they expect anyone with a brain to bet those horses: BEYERS figures?

I mean, no matter how you cut it, this is still a 3rd world operation. Maybe the Sheik can get his lazy ass over to the Hong Kong Jockey Club site and see what a PROFESSIONAL, CUTTING EDGE operation looks like.

Results are posted on EmiratesRacing.com, with race comments on each horse and the stewards' report. They do have the most complete Trakus system I've seen, and have implemented it on course, but seem to have some difficulty with getting that data on their website - I attribute some of this to growing pains (i.e, getting the course up and running was first and foremost).

The in-race running lines don't exist, but neither do the European racing jurisdictions provide those either...of course, with no wagering in Dubai, the impetus to get that all up and running is limited.

RockHardTen1985 · #5 03-30-2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings

Results are posted on EmiratesRacing.com, with race comments on each horse and the stewards' report. They do have the most complete Trakus system I've seen, and have implemented it on course, but seem to have some difficulty with getting that data on their website - I attribute some of this to growing pains (i.e, getting the course up and running was first and foremost).

The in-race running lines don't exist, but neither do the European racing jurisdictions provide those either...of course, with no wagering in Dubai, the impetus to get that all up and running is limited.

I was looking for results myself, Thanks for the website.

the_fat_man · #6 03-30-2010, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings

Results are posted on EmiratesRacing.com, with race comments on each horse and the stewards' report. They do have the most complete Trakus system I've seen, and have implemented it on course, but seem to have some difficulty with getting that data on their website - I attribute some of this to growing pains (i.e, getting the course up and running was first and foremost).

The in-race running lines don't exist, but neither do the European racing jurisdictions provide those either...of course, with no wagering in Dubai, the impetus to get that all up and running is limited.

There you go: they might have the 'most complete Trakus system' but until they get the data out there it really does no one any good. They have a chance to do things the right way, as, clearly, money is of no object. IMO, this entails making ACCURATE data available to the bettor. Can you imagine a system in place with accurate running lines? How about one with a line for every 1/16th of a mile (or less)? How beatable does the game then become?

Maybe next year. In the meantime, WO is opening later in the week and we can at least get our accuracy fix satisfied there.

MisterB · #7 03-31-2010, 06:06 AM

I see Nick Kling has spoken. Seems he feels Joe Hirsh would not have agreed with Christ blog.

http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/2...b854309848.txt

Linny · #8 03-31-2010, 08:22 AM

Since there is no betting in Dubai, there has long been a bit of a struggle between the management of the Carnival / DWC and the people involved in running the overseas betting and distribution systems.

It is a non US venue. If you decided to bet on Royal Ascot or Hong Kong you would have to deal with their versions of PP's and data. If it doesn't suit you, fine, don't play. Millions of punters in Europe, Asia and Australia do just fine with the type of data provided by the Dubai Racing Club. The handle on the DWC card was quite strong int hose locales, so someone must think they have adequate data.