Change of Plans for Lava Man

Originally Posted by Cardus

Nice wager!

I was always a "beat the favorite" type of racing fan with Cigar. That was probably so due to my respect for Holy Bull, who was dynamic when on his game (which was most of the time). I did respect Cigar's consistency and durability, though.

I appreciated Skip Away's career; he was the "Iron Horse" of his generation. Sonny Hine ran him in the Ohio Derby two weeks after competing in all legs of the Triple Crown. Who would do that today?

Enjoy the racing.

I had bet Dare and Go because my best friend was an Alydar fanatic. It was dumb luck; again, had been bittersweet. I was devastated when Holy Bull broke down. Both Holy Bull and Skip Away were Jersey-based; I am from NJ. I was following The Bull through his career and was a very big fan. Stll, I always liked Cigar. My top ten horses of all-time at a forum I visit includes Holy Bull and Skip Away. I have so many fond memories, including Holy Bull resting his head on me at Jonabell. I still can feel the electricity in the paddock, particularly at Monmouth. Both Holy Bull and Skip Away added 10,000 to track attendance when they ran.

[Gander]

Holy Bull, Cigar, Skip Away. What a time for horse racing. Man it makes today's racing look very bad.

Originally Posted by Gander

Holy Bull, Cigar, Skip Away. What a time for horse racing. Man it makes today's racing look very bad.

Hopefully, by the end of the year Bernardini, Invasor, and Lava Man will have us spoiled.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Gander

Holy Bull, Cigar, Skip Away. What a time for horse racing. Man it makes today's racing look very bad.

Bernardini > Cigar.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Bernardini > Cigar.

I'll believe it when I see it. He won't stay sound enough to beat Cigar's record. I doubt he even runs 20 times in his career.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'll believe it when I see it. He won't stay sound enough to beat Cigar's record. I doubt he even runs 20 times in his career.

Record my foot. He's better than Cigar was.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Record my foot. He's better than Cigar was.

Depends on what you consider "better." Bernardini has beat nothing but tired horses... a healthy Barbaro would have put him away.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Depends on what you consider "better." Bernardini has beat nothing but tired horses... a healthy Barbaro would have put him away.

A healthy Barbaro would've eaten his dust. And allow me to clarify further.

Better = Faster. Bernardini is a faster horse than Cigar was.

[Gander]

Its far too early for that Ateam, but I happen to agree with you from a talent perspective. This horse has to stay on the track and actually race about 10 more times just to be mentioned with Cigar and Skip Away. Thats whats difference with horse racing today and from 10 years ago. Nobody wants to race anymore. I feel bad for anybody that wasnt a big fan when Skip Away and Cigar were constantly making news.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Depends on what you consider "better." Bernardini has beat nothing but tired horses... a healthy Barbaro would have put him away.

Barbaro raced like an older horse in his last 3 starts. He raced like he knew where the wire was and was not going to be beat. He was something special.

[repent]

Originally Posted by Gander

Holy Bull, Cigar, Skip Away. What a time for horse racing. Man it makes today's racing look very bad.

I am of the opposite opinion.
Ive never seen 3 American 3YOs in the same crop as good as Barbaro, Bernardini, and Discreet Cat.
hell,
Im not sure I have ever seen a 3YO as good as Discreet Cat period.

Our male turf horses suck right now, thats for sure.
but we had a US turf filly completely dominate an international field in the American Oaks and her stablemate is pretty damn good also.

and I would say we have an excellent group of sprinters running right now as well.

I am more impressed with American racing this year than I have been in a long time.


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[repent]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Try these:

Coaltown, Citation, Bewitch

General Duke, Bold Ruler, Gallant Man, Round Table, Iron Leige

lol,
yeah I was born a few years too late to see those.

Im just talking about horses I have seen run(not on tape).

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[Gander]

Discreet Cat reminds me a bit of Surf Cat. Freakishly talented but until he wins a race of importance, hes just a very fast horse with lots of potential.

[Gander]

Discreet Cat reminds me a bit of Surf Cat. Freakishly talented but until he wins a race of importance, hes just a very fast horse with lots of potential.