Odysseus pre-Derby start at KEE or OP

[justindew]

I'm a little surprised by the lack of respect that Super Saver is getting. Usually horses who win those CD fall juvy races are exposed in the spring, but considering it was his first start back, I thought his TBD effort was solid.

[slotdirt]

I would agree that Odysseus merits a second look out of that TBD race, but I can't say I hold much hope for either Schoolyard Dreams or Super Saver. I still think Uptowncharlybrown has some potential, but had a brutal trip and will instead be pointed to the Dwyer.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I would agree that Odysseus merits a second look out of that TBD race, but I can't say I hold much hope for either Schoolyard Dreams or Super Saver. I still think Uptowncharlybrown has some potential, but had a brutal trip and will instead be pointed to the Dwyer.

You'll have to expound on Uptowncharlybrown's brutal trip. I sure didn't see it.

Personally I don't understand what anyone sees in this horse. I never did.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

I'm a little surprised by the lack of respect that Super Saver is getting. Usually horses who win those CD fall juvy races are exposed in the spring, but considering it was his first start back, I thought his TBD effort was solid.

He is OK....but he hardly has a running style that figures to enhance his chances in the Derby.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He is OK....but he hardly has a running style that figures to enhance his chances in the Derby.

If Drosselmeyer makes the Derby field, it would not surpise me to see WinStar point Super Saver to the Preakness. Late start, Rule, etc.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

If Drosselmeyer makes the Derby field, it would not surpise me to see WinStar point Super Saver to the Preakness. Late start, Rule, etc.

Drosselmeyer? Stop making me laugh.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Drosselmeyer? Stop making me laugh.

Ok. Then one of their other 250 nominated horses.

[randallscott35]

Super Saver isn't going 10 panels in a horse van.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Super Saver isn't going 10 panels in a horse van.

I highly doubt thats his problem. He is not very good, this class is top heavy then SHITTY.

ESKENDEREYA, Lookin at Lucky and Dublin are all really good IMO. They can all win the Derby and continue to be good long term. Dublin might be the least liked out of those 3, but his trip was HORRIBLE last time that premature move had to have cost him. He needs to be allowed to make 1 big long run.
After these 3 you have Awesome Act and Sidneys Candy who IMO can both pop up and do some damage... After these 5 there is no one else. I think a horse like Sidneys Candy would pop up and run huge first time dirt, but I dont think he can beat Lookin at Lucky in the Santa Anita Derby.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by justindew

I'm a little surprised by the lack of respect that Super Saver is getting. Usually horses who win those CD fall juvy races are exposed in the spring, but considering it was his first start back, I thought his TBD effort was solid.

Actually, as far as the Kentucky Jockey Club goes, it is one of the most productive 2yo races for Derby preps (though not necessarily on Derby Day itself). In the last 15 years:

95: Ide-won Southwest, Rebel, retired prior to AK Derby
Editor's Note- placed FL Derby, Blue Grass, Preakness, won Belmont

96: Concerto- won Jim Beam, Battaglia, Tesio, Whirlaway

97: Cape Town- won FL Derby, Holy Bull, placed Blue Grass
Time Limit- won Hutcheson, Spectacular Bid, placed Risen Star,
broke down Jim Beam
Real Quiet- placed SA Derby, San Felipe, won KY Derby, Preakness,
placed Belmont

98: Exploit- won San Vincente, injured March
Vicar- won FOY, FL Derby, placed Blue Grass
Grits N Hard Toast- won Holy Bull

99: Captain Steve- placed SA Derby, LA Derby, Santa Catalina
Mighty- won LA Derby, placed Risen Star, Le Comte

00: Dollar Bill- won Risen Star, placed Blue Grass

01: Repent- won LA Derby, Risen Star, placed Illinois Derby
Request For Parole- won Battaglia, placed Jim Beam

03: The Cliff's Edge- won Blue Grass, placed FL Derby, Sam Davis

06: Any Given Saturday- won Sam Davis, placed TB Derby, Wood
Dominican- won Blue Grass, Rushaway

08: Capt. Candyman Can- won Hutcheson, Bay Shore

[justindew]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Actually, as far as the Kentucky Jockey Club goes, it is one of the most productive 2yo races for Derby preps (though not necessarily on Derby Day itself). In the last 15 years:

95: Ide-won Southwest, Rebel, retired prior to AK Derby
Editor's Note- placed FL Derby, Blue Grass, Preakness, won Belmont

96: Concerto- won Jim Beam, Battaglia, Tesio, Whirlaway

97: Cape Town- won FL Derby, Holy Bull, placed Blue Grass
Time Limit- won Hutcheson, Spectacular Bid, placed Risen Star,
broke down Jim Beam
Real Quiet- placed SA Derby, San Felipe, won KY Derby, Preakness,
placed Belmont

98: Exploit- won San Vincente, injured March
Vicar- won FOY, FL Derby, placed Blue Grass
Grits N Hard Toast- won Holy Bull

99: Captain Steve- placed SA Derby, LA Derby, Santa Catalina
Mighty- won LA Derby, placed Risen Star, Le Comte

00: Dollar Bill- won Risen Star, placed Blue Grass

01: Repent- won LA Derby, Risen Star, placed Illinois Derby
Request For Parole- won Battaglia, placed Jim Beam

03: The Cliff's Edge- won Blue Grass, placed FL Derby, Sam Davis

06: Any Given Saturday- won Sam Davis, placed TB Derby, Wood
Dominican- won Blue Grass, Rushaway

08: Capt. Candyman Can- won Hutcheson, Bay Shore

Good stuff. But it seems to me that any horse who wins going two turns at CD in the fall, be it in a stakes race or allowance or even MSW, instantly becomes a Derby candidate. And they seldom live up to expectations.

And I'm not counting Street Sense in this because that was the BC and the BC doesn't count as a fall race at CD, even though it was that year.