"What I Will Do If ObamaCare Passes"

[miraja2]

It is pretty amazing that a person could write something that long about an issue while clearly never taking the time to familiarize himself with the issue at all.
I almost wonder if he meant the whole thing as a parody of right-wing lunacy. If not, I guess he's just plain ignorant.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I like the guys last name anyway.

Witkov!

It's like a combonation of my grandfathers two favorite things to call me .. "Nit wit" and "DumbKov"

[hi_im_god]

wow. people on the right still work the death panel angle?

are they worried about locking up that critical portion of the population that:

a) only watch fox news so missed the fact this is a discredited lie.
b) didn't hear the discredited lie 1000 times on fox news before they dropped it after it got too embarrassing.
c) would support health reform if they didn't hear it.

i'm sure the author knows his audience but that seems like a really small slice to aim for.

maybe he should have gone for pro-obama birther's instead.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by miraja2

It is pretty amazing that a person could write something that long about an issue while clearly never taking the time to familiarize himself with the issue at all.
I almost wonder if he meant the whole thing as a parody of right-wing lunacy. If not, I guess he's just plain ignorant.

I feel that a person should have health insurance. But answer this question for me: Does a person who can work and is not trying to find work deserve a free ride? Personally I feel they dont deserve a hand out like they will getting if this ridiculous bill is passed. But I guess this is the O'Dumbass way.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I feel that a person should have health insurance. But answer this question for me: Does a person who can work and is not trying to find work deserve a free ride? Personally I feel they dont deserve a hand out like they will getting if this ridiculous bill is passed. But I guess this is the O'Dumbass way.

The bill does very little to nothing to change what people who don't work get.

What the bill does is massively change what people who do work, and who do pay for health insurance, get.

[timmgirvan]

....and this is why the vast majority of citizens don't want this swill to pass!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

....and this is why the vast majority of citizens don't want this swill to pass!

?? Why? Because people who work hard, and pay their insurance premiums, won't be dropped for no reason other than profit when they get sick? That little kids on insurance won't be said to have reached lifetime limits just because they get bone cancer as children? And can never be insured again?

The "vast majority of citizens" has been polled to be against this, because the past year has been a nightmare of acrimony and lies about what reform could entail, but when it has been explained, the majority is in favor of it passing. I'll find the recent polling data from this week ....
---------------
Here's the current AP poll:

From Huffpost: AP Health Care Poll: Only FOUR PERCENT Of Americans Don't Want Any Reform
CHARLES BABINGTON | 03/ 9/10 06:41 PM |

WASHINGTON � Americans and their lawmakers are dramatically out of sync on health care, with large majorities of people looking for bipartisan cooperation that's nowhere in sight.

A new Associated Press-GfK Poll finds a widespread hunger for improvements to the health care system, which suggests President Barack Obama and his Democratic allies have a political opening to push their plan. Half of all Americans say health care should be changed a lot or "a great deal," and only 4 percent say it shouldn't be changed at all.

But they don't like the way the debate is playing out in Washington, where GOP lawmakers unanimously oppose the Obama-backed legislation and Democrats are struggling to pass it by themselves with narrow House and Senate majorities.

More than four in five Americans say it's important that any health care plan have support from both parties. And 68 percent say the president and congressional Democrats should keep trying to cut a deal with Republicans rather than pass a bill with no GOP support.

Leaders of both parties in Congress say that's not how it's going to work out. After a year of off-and-on negotiations, Republicans adamantly oppose Obama's plans. The White House and Democratic leaders say it's now-or-never for a health care overhaul, which would cover an additional 30 million Americans, require almost everyone to buy health insurance and impose new restrictions on insurance companies.

The Democrats' plan relies on parliamentary rules that bar Senate filibusters. That would enable Senate Democrats to pass a companion health care bill – which House Democrats are demanding – with a simple majority. Democrats control 59 of the Senate's 100 votes, one shy of the number needed to stop GOP filibusters.

The new poll underscores Obama's struggles to wrest control of the health care debate from Republicans, who couch his efforts as a government takeover and costly intrusion into private lives.

Many of his allies are baffled, because Americans clearly want change, and some of the individual components of the Democrats' health care agenda seem popular. Moreover, the public has not embraced the Republicans' overall approach to legislating, giving lower approval ratings to GOP lawmakers than to Democrats, although both parties fare badly.

In the AP-GfK Poll, 43 percent of those surveyed said Obama and Congress should keep working to pass health care this year, while 41 percent said they should start from scratch. On Capitol Hill, the Republicans favor that new-start approach; Democrats say that's just a way to stall the effort to death.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Let me share with you a portion of an email I received from a long-time member of the House of Representatives. Here's a look at process ... and you're not going to like what you see:

It is official: the President and the Speaker have decided to ram a health care bill through the Congress this week. The first step for this newly introduced 2,300 page bill is for it to be rushed through the Budget Committee this afternoon. As you saw if you clicked on the link to the bill, the legislation is moving so fast that it hasn't even been assigned a bill number yet.

While you can read this new bill here, it won't be worth your time. Why? Because these 2,300 pages aren't even the 2,300 pages that the President and Speaker Pelosi want us to vote on. That's right: the pages that they want us to vote on haven't even been completed yet. The bill that the Budget Committee is working on is simply a placeholder because the Speaker is still working out new language. The plan, we're told, is that Budget Committee will finish its work today to move the process along and then tomorrow--likely deep into the night--the Rules Committee will take up the bill. The Rules Committee will completely erase the 2,300 pages approved by the Budget Committee and insert thousands of entirely new pages into the bill. Don't worry, though: the Speaker has promised us at least 1 hour to read those several thousand new pages before the Rules Committee votes. No, I'm not laughing either.

Obviously, this is not the way that any bill should be considered in Congress, butt his is definitely not the way to handle something as important as health care reform and something so enormous that it accounts for almost 20%of our entire economy.

If you need to learn more, I will be holding a telephone town hall meeting tomorrow, Tuesday, March 16, at 7PM. By calling 1-800-_________ a few minutes before 7PM and giving the operator the pass code _______ you can join in this discussion. I would certainly value your participation.

Doesn't that just give you a pantload of warm fuzzies! This is how these Democrats in Congress are treating the people who hired them ... and is this what you actually hired them for? To treat you, the voters, like this?

And Now ... the "Deem and Pass" rule!
part 1

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

And Now ... the "Deem and Pass" rule!

OUTRAGE!!!!

The public pressure on the Democrat House members must be intense. Many are telling Princess Pelosi that they just can't vote for this monstrosity ... if they do, they'll be kicked out of office by angry voters.

So here's the problem. Pelosi is 140% dedicated to getting ObamaCare passed. This bill is the portal through which she and other elite Democrats are going to completely re-order American society. It absolutely MUST pass. The Democrats might never have another chance to get this much control over the lives of American citizens.

So .. what we need here is a way to get this bill passed without jeopardizing the political careers of reluctant Dems. If they could just pass the bill without actually voting on it everything might work out. But how do you do that?

This is where the "Deem and Pass" rule comes into effect. Princess Pelosi has ordered her chairwhatever of the House Rules Committee to create a "rule" for the Senate ObamaCare bill that would allow it to become law without house members actually having to put themselves on the record by voting. Louise Slaughter, the Rules Committee Czarina, has done just that. It's called a "self-executing rule," or "Deem and Pass."

Here's how it will work:

If you've been paying attention you will know that the plan up until the last few days was for the House to simply pass the Senate Bill as it stands and send it to The Community Organizer for his signature. Then the House and the Senate would get together and agree on some fixes to the new law and pass them by majority votes in both chambers. Well ... that's not working any more. House Democrats are frightened. So the new Pelosi Plan is to have the House and the Senate pass the fixes without the House actually voting on the Senate bill. Buried in the fixes - which would be rammed through the Senate with 51 votes - would be a little clause which states that the House will have been "deemed to have passed" the Senate bill. So ... ta da! The Senate bill and the fixes become law without the frightened House members actually having to vote on the Senate bill!

Can you smell the absolute desperation here?

Nancy Pelosi is actually going to give the congress all of 60 minutes to read this bill before it gets voted on. This is how the Democrats seize control of almost 20 percent of the American economy.

We just have to accept that there are a significant number of American voters who are simply to ignorant to understand what this is all about. These Americans actually believe that these despots give a flying fornication about their health care. The only thing that Democrats want to do about health care in this country is CONTROL IT! They know that once they control your health care, they control you. Health care will become the ring through your nose .. and the Democrats will be holding the rope.

Is this the change you voted for? I suspect not, but it's really hard to admit that you made a mistake by voting for The Community Organizer, isn't it? You could start by taking the Obama bumper sticker off your car ... after all, that sticker has become little more than a symbol of pathetic ignorance. If you don't want to be all that obvious, you could just make a little phone call to your Democrat congressman and say "Know what? This is really beginning to look like a very bad idea. There's not much I can do about Obama if he gets to sign it, but there's durned sure something I can do about you if you vote for it. So give that some thought, whaddaya say?

[Riot]

You gotta love the GOP political spin that is going on these past few days Gotta love a good last minute freakout - all their lying, all the Democratic incompetence, hasn't stopped what the people elected their President, Congress and Senate to DO.

It is official: the President and the Speaker have decided to ram a health care bill through the Congress this week.

Well, no, not hardly.

The first step for this newly introduced 2,300 page bill is for it to be rushed through the Budget Committee this afternoon. As you saw if you clicked on the link to the bill, the legislation is moving so fast that it hasn't even been assigned a bill number yet.

Nonsense. The House is voting on the Senate bill that passed months ago with a supermajority. That bill been on the .gov website for months.

While you can read this new bill here, it won't be worth your time. Why? Because these 2,300 pages aren't even the 2,300 pages that the President and Speaker Pelosi want us to vote on. That's right: the pages that they want us to vote on haven't even been completed yet.

That would be the reconciiation motions. Don't worry, that's been out, and the final isn't very big.

Sigh ... this is getting hysterical these last few days, watching these pols.