BC Mile - George Washington

[The Bid]

I dont think its the trainers in the United States that get the speed out of the horses, its the breeders. They are bred to be speed balls, all the trainer has to do is go out there and cut them lose. Of course American horses are going to be faster, they are bred that way, they are jacked up on equipoise, they are full of Deca, Lasix, Tren, Winstrol, god knows what else.

Orcale, I do not mean to say all trainers in the states are poor. There are some very very talented trainers. However, I would be willing to say that the horsemanship in general in Europe is much better. From yard help, on through the breeding.

Originally Posted by The Bid

I dont think its the trainers in the United States that get the speed out of the horses, its the breeders. They are bred to be speed balls, all the trainer has to do is go out there and cut them lose. Of course American horses are going to be faster, they are bred that way, they are jacked up on equipoise, they are full of Deca, Lasix, Tren, Winstrol, god knows what else.

Orcale, I do not mean to say all trainers in the states are poor. There are some very very talented trainers. However, I would be willing to say that the horsemanship in general in Europe is much better. From yard help, on through the breeding.

Thats nonsense Bid. Yard help? Well lets see, none of our good trainers train from "Yards". They take barns on the backside. And as far as breeding goes, thats nonsense as well. You guys basically get all the pricey Storm Cats, noone breeds more speed than him. Yet I seem to remember Hold That Tiger and several dozen more spotting everyone 10 lengths at the gate.
Blah.
Your trainers don't even have to worry about gate schooling. And that whole horsemanship thing is a joke as well. Look, the notion that because some guy dresses well and trains in a yard where every horses training chart says "gallop" every day (do they even make charts? I guess they don't need to, be a huge waste of paper and time to just write in Gallop 7 times each week next to every horse) means that he is a "horseman" is just rubbish.
Wanna know what "horsemanship" is? Horsemanship is trying to figure out how to get a horse to attend a blistering pace in a 20 horse field and keep on running for 10F.
Now, when one of those "great horsemen" figure out how to do that(like my trainer friend says, they can't, they don't know how to), I figure we will see one of them in the winners circle at the Kentucky Derby.
Lets just say I'm not holding my breath. They will never do it. I think its pretty obvious that the so called "horsemen" over there are one trick ponies who only kow how to train a horse one way to one thing.
Gallop, gallop, gallop, gallop, gallop. Sounds pretty complex huh?

[The Bid]

I dont want to argue with you about Euro trianing, horses, or breeding, you obviously have your opinion, and I have mine. At least we agree on allday being the best vet.


Jog, Gallop, Breeze, walk, whatever, its not complicated to be a horsetrainer. Whether you are in Europe or over here. I simply think the game is more pure in Europe. I like the fact the animals arent medicated as heavily, that is what I mean by pure in regards to the racing. As far as the horsemanship, Ive been here, and Ive been there, its really not even close. Not to say there arent any fantastic trainers and help over here, however the discrepancy between good and poor is greater over here. Even boarders on incomeptant

Originally Posted by The Bid

I dont want to argue with you about Euro trianing, horses, or breeding, you obviously have your opinion, and I have mine. At least we agree on allday being the best vet.


Jog, Gallop, Breeze, walk, whatever, its not complicated to be a horsetrainer. Whether you are in Europe or over here. I simply think the game is more pure in Europe. I like the fact the animals arent medicated as heavily, that is what I mean by pure in regards to the racing. As far as the horsemanship, Ive been here, and Ive been there, its really not even close.

If its not so compicated then why can't those "master horsemen" figure out how to get a horse to blaze early and stay on in a dirt route race?
Since this is not complicated, supposedly, then why can't they do it?

[The Bid]

Probably the same reason we dont go over and win the Arc, we just arent bred to do it. Our horses are better suited to our racing, theres to theres. As a whole I said they had better animals, I believe that. I think they are closer to coming over here and shaking up our racing, than we are to going over there and laying one on them in the Arc.

[The Bid]

I think any horse aimed to an American Classic needs to be prepped and trained over here.

Originally Posted by The Bid

I think any horse aimed to an American Classic needs to be prepped and trained over here.

WHy is that?
Can't those "master horsemen" get it done over there?

Originally Posted by The Bid

Probably the same reason we dont go over and win the Arc, we just arent bred to do it. Our horses are better suited to our racing, theres to theres. As a whole I said they had better animals, I believe that. I think they are closer to coming over here and shaking up our racing, than we are to going over there and laying one on them in the Arc.

Thats because we don't care about winning the Arc. There isn't any money in it!!!!! Turf sires can't be given away around here, you don't get 8 figure breedig deals on grass horses here, period. And why go to the Arc when you can wait 5 weeks and run for more purse MONEY at home in the BCTurf?
Don't you get it? We don't care about their races, they do nothing financially for anyone over here, there is no point to going there!!!

Originally Posted by The Bid

Probably the same reason we dont go over and win the Arc, we just arent bred to do it. Our horses are better suited to our racing, theres to theres. As a whole I said they had better animals, I believe that. I think they are closer to coming over here and shaking up our racing, than we are to going over there and laying one on them in the Arc.

like i said two pages ago, we don't go there because of $$..we ship to dubai, to japan...cause they have the $$$$...we have plenty of turf racing with big purses here...hell, euros HAVE the arc and still come here to the bc...for the $$!

as for breeding....bid, who has been the TOP sire overseas for about 15 years???? sadlers wells. he's by northern dancer. danehill, second all these years to sadlers wells...by danzig, who's by northern dancer. many of the top horses overseas share the same blood as our horses here do. so much for the breeding aspect! storm cat, top sire, by storm bird by...northern dancer. euros come to kentucky every year to buy up turf horses. we obviously can breed them, they take them home and win with them!