5 GOP break with party on jobs bill, vote w/Dems

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think they should get rid of the parties. george washington warned about the 'party first' mentality, and what havoc it could wreak. and he's right on about it.

there should be far more voting across party lines then there is-i've always thought that.

but then again, arguing that obama should get everything he wants because he got over 50% of the vote is absolute hogwash. people voted for him because they thought he was the better candidate, not because they agreed with him 100% on all issues.

That should clear a few things up!

[AeWingnut]

no we just need to get the dems to vote with their constituents instead of with their party

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

no we just need to get the dems to vote with their constituents instead of with their party

the same could be said of the republicans. most voters, just like in massachusetts, consider themselves to be independant. they don't follow the party line, they don't blindly vote. i know a few people vote dem/rep because they always have voted that way. i know others who won't vote, rather than vote across lines. so, it comes down to all of us in the middle. we don't agree with either candidate, so we vote for the one we like better-or dislike less! but on individual bills, we expect to be heard. that's the way it's supposed to be, isn't it? they 'represent' us. they being both parties elected members.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the same could be said of the republicans. most voters, just like in massachusetts, consider themselves to be independant. they don't follow the party line, they don't blindly vote. i know a few people vote dem/rep because they always have voted that way. i know others who won't vote, rather than vote across lines. so, it comes down to all of us in the middle. we don't agree with either candidate, so we vote for the one we like better-or dislike less! but on individual bills, we expect to be heard. that's the way it's supposed to be, isn't it? they 'represent' us. they being both parties elected members.

one would think so..........

[Riot]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

no we just need to get the dems to vote with their constituents instead of with their party

Well, if so, we would have had health care last August

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, if so, we would have had health care last August

why should we have had healthcare last August, when Obama only published his half-assed "plan" yesterday? It doesn't even contain enough specifics for the CBO to score.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

why should we have had healthcare last August, when Obama only published his half-assed "plan" yesterday? It doesn't even contain enough specifics for the CBO to score.

I guess you haven't been following what's happened, and what has been trying to work through the House and Senate, and public polling from early last summer, since this President was elected.

[Riot]

Let's try copying this image, and see if it works:

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let's try copying this image, and see if it works:

all this graph demonstrates is that Dems, even if they are the majority, can't get it together!

[Danzig]

more in total for all three categories. you might want to figure percentages, which tells the tale better than overall numbers. for instance, in the 97th congress, when republicans took over-look at motions, look at votes on cloture-virtually even. about 40 of each, compared to now with over 100 more motions than then, but about 80 more votes on cloture. number wise, both are higher-but percentage of cloture to motions isn't the same.
look at when republicans again took control, motions are similar to the last democrat controlled, 95-96. motions similar to 94, but look at the grey and yellow bars. especially for 2000-'02.

not a very good graph tho, it doesn't say which side filed the motions.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, if so, we would have had health care last August

umm no

that was my point an overwhelming majority of working American are totally against any Obama healthcare reform

[Riot]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

umm no

that was my point an overwhelming majority of working American are totally against any Obama healthcare reform

This President was elected with one of the largest electoral majorities in history, and ran on a platform including healthcare reform.

Polls that show people are "against healthcare reform" didn't start to go that way until after the protracted arguments within the Senate and House, and the August recess emphasizing loud and persistent lying about crap like "death panels will kill your grandma!"

Yet people today still overwhelmingly support the creation of the public option, and still strongly support individual health insurance reforms when line itemized.

My point is the Dems should have listened to their constituents last year, and passed healthcare reform by August.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

umm no

that was my point an overwhelming majority of working American are totally against any Obama healthcare reform

wheres the proof..