An Orwellian move by Obama's administration

[dellinger63]

there is a very simple solution to avoid being tracked and that is to remove the battery from the cell phone prior to engaging in your covert activiites whatever they may be. I'm sure inventions are on the way to either block the signal or scramble it.

I think much more alarming is the ease in which a GPS pinging device can be attatched to virtually anything (it's about the size a AA battery) and then will send constant updates to a site that can be accessed by computer. They even have tracking for up to 2 weeks complete with maps and times and a whole array of other options. The cost is less than $100 for the pinger and about $30/month for the service. All you need is the cash. Nothing else.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

there is a very simple solution to avoid being tracked and that is to remove the battery from the cell phone prior to engaging in your covert activiites whatever they may be. I'm sure inventions are on the way to either block the signal or scramble it.

I think much more alarming is the ease in which a GPS pinging device can be attatched to virtually anything (it's about the size a AA battery) and then will send constant updates to a site that can be accessed by computer. They even have tracking for up to 2 weeks complete with maps and times and a whole array of other options. The cost is less than $100 for the pinger and about $30/month for the service. All you need is the cash. Nothing else.

that's not the point-the point is it is very disturbing that the executive keeps trying to push their luck on warrantless searches. the democrats howled when bush tried, and now obama is attempting to do the same. you must have probable cause-just the act of owning or using a cell phone is not probable cause!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's not the point-the point is it is very disturbing that the executive keeps trying to push their luck on warrantless searches. the democrats howled when bush tried, and now obama is attempting to do the same. you must have probable cause-just the act of owning or using a cell phone is not probable cause!

Not sure this how this falls under a 'search'. As you drive from O'Hare to Chicago there are facial recognition cameras that scan each passing vehicle. There are parking enforcement trucks (boot patrol) that scan license plates searching for scofflaws. There are even corner cameras that watch and record everything. These don't bother me. What bothers me is this administration's misguided concern over the rights of terrorists.

Ever hear of Echelon or Carnivore software that basically monitors the entire Internet including email. That is a warrant less search whether done by machine or human. IMO

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Not sure this how this falls under a 'search'. As you drive from O'Hare to Chicago there are facial recognition cameras that scan each passing vehicle. There are parking enforcement trucks (boot patrol) that scan license plates searching for scofflaws. There are even corner cameras that watch and record everything. These don't bother me. What bothers me is this administration's misguided concern over the rights of terrorists.

Ever hear of Echelon or Carnivore software that basically monitors the entire Internet including email. That is a warrant less search whether done by machine or human. IMO

accessing your phone records is a search, isn't it? as for cameras at traffic lights, they aren't using those (as far as i know) to track your movements, are they? catching you for running a red light isn't the same as following and tracking your travels from point to point.
what bothers me is just how far the govt will take this-imo it's as far as we allow them.

[SOREHOOF]

They want to mark ammo so it becomes more expensive and more scarce. I am no more likely to use my gun in the commission of a crime than you are to use your cellphone. We have to stick up for all of our constitutional rights or we will lose them ALL.

[hi_im_god]

i don't think there's any question this supreme court will come down on the side of both the bush and obama admin's that a retrospective search of phone records is constitutional.

the argument that no warrant is required to track who you might talk to tomorrow or where you were when you spoke to them is something else.

i'll make the same argument i made when the bush admin ignored fisa courts and tapped into all internet traffic without warrant.

you need to be comfortable not just that you trust the people making the decision today but that you trust whatever admin is in power 20 years from now.

and like randall i'm not concerned about anyone listening to my conversations.

but i do worry about someone that thinks they need to.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i don't think there's any question this supreme court will come down on the side of both the bush and obama admin's that a retrospective search of phone records is constitutional.

the argument that no warrant is required to track who you might talk to tomorrow or where you were when you spoke to them is something else.

i'll make the same argument i made when the bush admin ignored fisa courts and tapped into all internet traffic without warrant.

you need to be comfortable not just that you trust the people making the decision today but that you trust whatever admin is in power 20 years from now.

and like randall i'm not concerned about anyone listening to my conversations.

but i do worry about someone that thinks they need to.

i know what you mean. i have nothing to hide. i laugh when people ask 'what are you worried about? you have something to hide?' they just don't get it.