2/6 (GP) Donn H. & GP Turf H. (G1's); Suwanee River S. (G3)

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

IC would have crushed QR.

I doubt you even beleive this.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I doubt you even beleive this.

Sorry. Crushed was too strong a word.

Soundly beaten would have been a better way to describe it.

[tector]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I doubt you even beleive this.

Trust me, he does.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by tector

Trust me, he does.

Actually, I was assuming that it's pretty common sense and that probably only pg1985 is the only one here who thinks otherwise.

It's not like I have rabies anymore like when IC broke his maiden. I say he's better without bias.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Actually, I was assuming that it's pretty common sense and that probably only pg1985 is the only one here who thinks otherwise.

It's not like I have rabies anymore like when IC broke his maiden. I say he's better without bias.

I highly doubt I am the only one, start a poll or something. QR would have crushed him.

[tector]

Ask him about Old Trieste....

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by tector

Ask him about Old Trieste....

Damn you!

[blackthroatedwind]

It seems people have either forgotten, or don't even know, that fast horses ( like Indian Charlie ) used to race with some regularity. They weren't as big a deal then because there were a plethora of fast horses around. Now, when one or two surface, they are hailed as great prematurely ( or inaccurately ).

[tector]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Damn you!

Mem...ories....

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I highly doubt I am the only one, start a poll or something. QR would have crushed him.

Yeah, I'm sure a poll would settle that. Nevermind that most of the people who'd vote in that weren't even watching racing in 97/98, including you.

Believe me dude, IC destroyed horses that were far superior to what QR has faced.

For example, in his first try around two turns IC beat a pretty tough allowance field running a BSF of 112 (third career start). The horse that ran fourth that couldn't keep up with IC went on to run the following Beyers in 7 of his next 8 starts (I threw out his one bad race, in which he had no business being in in the first place):

109 (alw nwot1x) by 10 lengths

105 (g3 affirmed) by about 5 running 23.1 46.1 109.2 141.4. He opened up 8 in the lane before cruising home.

116 (g2 Swaps) by 12, with Grand Slam in 2nd. 46.0 109.2 134.1 147

104 (g2 dmr bc hcp) by 5. 22.1 45.4 109.3 135.1. This was against older.

He then laid off from Sept to the end of May of his 4yo year and came back in the g2 Californian, where he ran a bsf of 118.

Yes, that's 118 off a substantial layoff. 46.0 109.3 134 146.2 He won by 7 over that years BC Classic runnerup Budroyale.

That race took something out of him however, and he was laid up again, returning in Sept in the DMR BC HCP again. He ran a 104 while running 3rd by 1.25 lengths. 22.2 45.3 109.2 135.2.

He then ran back in the Goodwood (g2) and again ran third getting a BSF of 113. Clearly he was finished at this point, as Budroyale beat him by 3.25 lengths, with General Challenge finishing 2nd. 46.3 110.2 135.1 148.1

He finished out his career with a poor showing shortly after that in the Classic.

This is a horse that QR couldn't possibly have kept up with and stayed around, and yet when this horse tried to challenge IC for the lead, he was hopelessly outmatched.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, I'm sure a poll would settle that. Nevermind that most of the people who'd vote in that weren't even watching racing in 97/98, including you.

Believe me dude, IC destroyed horses that were far superior to what QR has faced.

For example, in his first try around two turns IC beat a pretty tough allowance field running a BSF of 112 (third career start). The horse that ran fourth that couldn't keep up with IC went on to run the following Beyers in 7 of his next 8 starts (I threw out his one bad race, in which he had no business being in in the first place):

109 (alw nwot1x) by 10 lengths

105 (g3 affirmed) by about 5 running 23.1 46.1 109.2 141.4. He opened up 8 in the lane before cruising home.

116 (g2 Swaps) by 12, with Grand Slam in 2nd. 46.0 109.2 134.1 147

104 (g2 dmr bc hcp) by 5. 22.1 45.4 109.3 135.1. This was against older.

He then laid off from Sept to the end of May of his 4yo year and came back in the g2 Californian, where he ran a bsf of 118.

Yes, that's 118 off a substantial layoff. 46.0 109.3 134 146.2 He won by 7 over that years BC Classic runnerup Budroyale.

That race took something out of him however, and he was laid up again, returning in Sept in the DMR BC HCP again. He ran a 104 while running 3rd by 1.25 lengths. 22.2 45.3 109.2 135.2.

He then ran back in the Goodwood (g2) and again ran third getting a BSF of 113. Clearly he was finished at this point, as Budroyale beat him by 3.25 lengths, with General Challenge finishing 2nd. 46.3 110.2 135.1 148.1

He finished out his career with a poor showing shortly after that in the Classic.

This is a horse that QR couldn't possibly have kept up with and stayed around, and yet when this horse tried to challenge IC for the lead, he was hopelessly outmatched.

I was 12 in 97... I was just getting into the game

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I was 12 in 97... I was just getting into the game

I figured as much.

Go into the screening room and go watch IC's races, from earliest to latest.

You'd be also well served, as Andy was getting at, to go check out some vids on Youtube of some of the great horses from previous decades.