Trainers Love the New Track at Hollywood

Gander · #1 09-24-2006, 08:07 PM

Good point Rupert, I guess I am just going by quality of wins for all 3 and the fact that the 3 have met only once. If they all run in the BC I would take a shot with the Tin Man again, not even a doubt in my mind.

Yes things did go perfectly right for the Tin Man in the Arl Mill, but cant you say the same thing for English Channel for both of his 2 grade 1 wins this year? Perfect trips from just off the pace where the pacesetter set very honest fractions. I think the Tin Man would have won both of those races as well (had he been the beneficiary of a perfect stalking trip).

GPK · #2 09-24-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Good point Rupert, I guess I am just going by quality of wins for all 3 and the fact that the 3 have met only once. If they all run in the BC I would take a shot with the Tin Man again, not even a doubt in my mind.

Yes things did go perfectly right for the Tin Man in the Arl Mill, but cant you say the same thing for English Channel for both of his 2 grade 1 wins this year? Perfect trips from just off the pace where the pacesetter set very honest fractions. I think the Tin Man would have won both of those races as well (had he been the beneficiary of a perfect stalking trip).

...and things went perfectly for Cacique in his two wins...

Gander · #3 09-24-2006, 08:13 PM

Yes they did. All which proves my point that you guys were very quick to label the Tin Man as a lucky winner because of his pace advantage yet when horses like EC and Cacique win with perfect trips, they are worthy champions. I dont get it. Show me a race EC or Cacique won which wasnt perfectly set up for them? Its a double standard and an east coast bias in full gear. The horses from the west never get the same respect per talent level that the ones from the east get.

GPK · #4 09-24-2006, 08:17 PM

I never claimed his win to be lucky...it was a great win and a very smart ride by Espinoza.

Gander · #5 09-24-2006, 08:22 PM

Maybe not you but others did. Me thinks the betting part affects a lot of what people write on here. Nobody likes to lose money on a wager and I'll be the first to admit I am very bias at times due to the gambling aspect of this sport. I think mostly everybody on here can attest to this.

Rupert Pupkin · #6 09-24-2006, 09:08 PM

Cacique got a perfect trip in the Million too. He was right up on the slow pace. He was neck and neck with TTM at the quarter pole and TTM blew him away. Cacique didn't have anything close to an excuse in the Million.

repent · #7 09-25-2006, 12:49 AM

oh wow,
that pumpkin guy is richi?

someone let me know next time so I dont waste my f*cking time.
he is completely hopeless.

and yeah Gander,
if you honestly think The Tin Man can run 12f with Relaxed Gesture, you are out of your freaking skull dude.
there is a reason for east coast bias.
east coast horses are better.

its like saying someone has a bias for the AL Central.
well, no sh*t.
3 of the 4 best teams in basebal play in that division.

Repent