Citizens United v. FEC

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

This is why you don't elect Republicans. There is a steep price to pay for it.

This is a totally weird ruling, considering what it's overturned and ignored (the past 100 years of previous judicial interpretation) - and that wasn't even asked for or addressed in lower rulings!

It's a weird ruling coming from the "conservative" side of the Justices, too, as it is far from "conservative" - it is completely opposite to, unsupports and undermines, the simplicity and power of the single voter in our electoral system.

The "tea party patriot" movement has to be going completely ballistic.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

The "tea party patriot" movement has to be going completely ballistic.

Quite the opposite as they aren't afraid of capitalism or freedom of speach!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Quite the opposite as they aren't afraid of capitalism or freedom of speach!

This has nothing at all to do with "capitalism" ??? How so?

Corporations are not voters or individuals. They have always had "freedom of speech" as corporate entities to support candidates of their choice financially and in the press, with ads, etc.

I think the "Tea Baggers" are not understanding what just happened here, if they are supporting this.

Are they not against big government, government involvement and interference, corporate control of government, and for the rights of the individual above all else?

This ruling is completely opposite to that

[dellinger63]

Teabaggers aren't afraid of Wall Street banks, oil companies, health insurers etc. etc. they are afraid of government controls and violations of freedom of speach whether it be individuals or 'evil' corporations.

Corporations, incidently owned by most anyone with a stock fund or retirement account. The fact that Obama so strongly opposes the ruling and which Justices ruled for it should have been a huge clue on how the patriots feel.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Corporations, incidently owned by most anyone with a stock fund or retirement account. The fact that Obama so strongly opposes the ruling and which Justices ruled for it should have been a huge clue on how the patriots feel.

Again, this is not a "right vs. left" issue. Obama's specialty was Constitutional law. There are plenty of "conservative" Constitutionalists that are shocked at this, too.

You'd better do a good review of your investments, for those "corporations incidently owned by most anyone with a stock fund or retirement account", because controls on what those corporations can do with your profits (politically) just were removed.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You'd better do a good review of your investments, for those "corporations incidently owned by most anyone with a stock fund or retirement account", because controls on what those corporations can do with your profits (politically) just were removed.

if I'm invested with them I trust and in fact am betting on them to utilize their assets to raise profits and increase stock price. The ruling increases their ability to put out a position that is positive for the corporate interests. So instead of being afraid of corporate waste of profit I am pleased government control has been removed. I trust many more of the Idol watching masses will be exposed to the fraud known as Cap and Trade and a welfare like, socialistic health care plan in the next election.

Obama's bank regulation announcement did wonders this week for the stock market. The guy doesn't have a clue!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

if I'm invested with them I trust and in fact am betting on them to utilize their assets to raise profits and increase stock price. The ruling increases their ability to put out a position that is positive for the corporate interests. So instead of being afraid of corporate waste of profit I am pleased government control has been removed. I trust many more of the Idol watching masses will be exposed to the fraud known as Cap and Trade and a welfare like, socialistic health care plan in the next election.

Obama's bank regulation announcement did wonders this week for the stock market. The guy doesn't have a clue!

Government control over your corporations profits has not been changed. What I meant was, corporate accountability to their stockholders, regarding the corporation political expenditures of profit, was just REMOVED.

Right now, when the stock market falls a bit due to politics? It's due to fear their free-for-all party has been busted. Keep that in mind It's generally a good thing.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Riot

I think the "Tea Baggers" are not understanding what just happened here, if they are supporting this.

Are they not against big government, government involvement and interference, corporate control of government, and for the rights of the individual above all else?

This ruling is completely opposite to that

I'm afraid once again its you who doesn't understand. my tea party group sent out a bulletin within the hour after the ruling came down, rejoicing.

big government got smacked down by the court. no longer will they be able to control this fundamental expression of political speech. a right this country was founded on.

tea party people don't demonize corporations, we don't fear corporations or other groups that might have a message. we do fear big government however.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I'm afraid once again its you who doesn't understand. my tea party group sent out a bulletin within the hour after the ruling came down, rejoicing.

Well, good luck with that!

Which tea party to you belong to? Are you doing to Nashville?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I'm afraid once again its you who doesn't understand. my tea party group sent out a bulletin within the hour after the ruling came down, rejoicing.

big government got smacked down by the court. no longer will they be able to control this fundamental expression of political speech. a right this country was founded on.

tea party people don't demonize corporations, we don't fear corporations or other groups that might have a message. we do fear big government however.

i'm surprised to hear this framed as a big government issue.

i'll predict right now that more corporate influence over election results leads to additional regulation designed to limit competition, not less. it'll also lead to additional government subsidies given to the new corporate masters.

the voice of your tea party group is going to matter less in the new election paradigm, not more.

when the government is fully in the pocket of corporations, will you still distinguish between "good" corporations and "bad" government?