ramon dominguez love in florida

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

johnny as people on here in the past say well where is todd in the big ones

i can say to you where is ramon in the big one's

everyone points to todd being 0 for 40 or whatever in the derby

well tell me what is ramon in the tc's races , what is he in the breeders cup

why can't he win those races when he is not on the best horses - all the great jocks won races when the whole world was watching on derby day , preakness day , belmont day and bc day and they won multiple times

no one besides the die hard racing fans here will remember what grade 1 he won in aug or mar or jan 20 yrs from now , nobody cares , the casual racing fan cares about what you do on the 4 big days a year and so far he is 1 for whatever

when the whole world is watching he has done nothing but lay egg after egg on derby day and bc day - maybe someday he will win those big races

if todd is going to get crucifed on here by people for his lack of resutls in the big spot on derby day and the other jewlels and the bc , ramon deserves as much until he starts winning the big races

So basically, you throw out the entire year of racing and deterime how good a jockey is based on how they do in about 17 races (The TC & the BC). The guy could win almost %25 of the time and be in the money over %55, but since he is 0-fer the TC/BC he is not an elite jock. This is really some vendetta you have against him, huh? Your logic/thinking on this on is mind boggling.

[the_fat_man]

This is very amusing.

I'd have thought that just about anyone who plays this game on a regular basis would realize that Dominguez is the best jockey in the country. And, it's really not even close.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This is very amusing.

I'd have thought that just about anyone who plays this game on a regular basis would realize that Dominguez is the best jockey in the country. And, it's really not even close.

It IS pretty remarkable that people are willing to spend so much time arguing with someone who doesn't recognize how good Dominguez is.

--Dunbar

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

It IS pretty remarkable that people are willing to spend so much time arguing with someone who doesn't recognize how good Dominguez is.

--Dunbar

and it's pretty remarkable to see people on here bash the top trainer in the country for the last 10 yrs as though he is lucky to win claiming races

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

So basically, you throw out the entire year of racing and deterime how good a jockey is based on how they do in about 17 races (The TC & the BC). The guy could win almost %25 of the time and be in the money over %55, but since he is 0-fer the TC/BC he is not an elite jock. This is really some vendetta you have against him, huh? Your logic/thinking on this on is mind boggling.

Exactly. I really hope Winslow Homer ends up being a very nice horse with Dominguez on board.

Hell, I thought Ramon's rides on Better Talk Now and Friendly Island in the 2006 BC were great. How about his 2nd aboard Bluegrass Cat in the Derby?

I wish I could get someone on a mission to find a picture of Linda Rice and Ramon together, have them both autograph it and send it to Gales.

NT

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Exactly. I really hope Winslow Homer ends up being a very nice horse with Dominguez on board.

Hell, I thought Ramon's rides on Better Talk Now and Friendly Island in the 2006 BC were great. How about his 2nd aboard Bluegrass Cat in the Derby?

I wish I could get someone on a mission to find a picture of Linda Rice and Ramon together, have them both autograph it and send it to Gales.

NT

no one remembers who is 2nd

as for gio ponti this year don't you think the kid would now that the outside is the best place to be at SA?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by gales0678

as for gio ponti this year don't you think the kid would now that the outside is the best place to be at SA?

STOP ALREADY

NT

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by gales0678

as for gio ponti this year don't you think the kid would now that the outside is the best place to be at SA?

This almost outdoes yesterday's post about a CLOSERS' BIAS at GG.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This almost outdoes yesterday's post about a CLOSERS' BIAS at GG.

well if the rail / inside was good at SA why does mike smith come off the rail on the far turn , he has 1 horse in front of him it's not like he couldn't have gotten zenyatta through on the rail , there must be some reason why he went 7 wide that day ???????

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

well if the rail / inside was good at SA why does mike smith come off the rail on the far turn , he has 1 horse in front of him it's not like he couldn't have gotten zenyatta through on the rail , there must be some reason why he went 7 wide that day ???????

He always goes 7 wide with her, because he's spotting the whole field about 20 lengths and ends up having to circle them.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

He always goes 7 wide with her, because he's spotting the whole field about 20 lengths and ends up having to circle them.

the rail was open that day , isn't the rail the shortest way home ?, your inside , your saving ground your not going wide

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

So basically, you throw out the entire year of racing and deterime how good a jockey is based on how they do in about 17 races (The TC & the BC). The guy could win almost %25 of the time and be in the money over %55, but since he is 0-fer the TC/BC he is not an elite jock. This is really some vendetta you have against him, huh? Your logic/thinking on this on is mind boggling.

what about the people on here that bash Todd for being 0-40 in the derby - it's been done on here in the past , not recently but it has been done

1 - 75 in the tc races or whatever he is and 3 for whatever in the bc ?

it seems as though it's ok to bash todd and point out his lack of wins in the big spots on derby day , bc day etc etc ,and point out that he is overrated, but it's not ok to point out that ramon layed a lot of eggs on those days as well but is is still top jock

maybe i have a vendetta against ramon or maybe i'm just doing the same thing others on here do to todd - if i have a vendetta , then you can't tell me they don't either

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by gales0678

what about the people on here that bash Todd for being 0-40 in the derby - it's been done on here in the past , not recently but it has been done

1 - 75 in the tc races or whatever he is and 3 for whatever in the bc ?

it seems as though it's ok to bash todd and point out his lack of wins in the big spots on derby day , bc day etc etc ,and point out that he is overrated, but it's not ok to point out that ramon layed a lot of eggs on those days as well but is is still top jock

maybe i have a vendetta against ramon or maybe i'm just doing the same thing others on here do to todd - if i have a vendetta , then you can't tell me they don't either

When Ramon starts getting on horses in the TC and BC races that are as good as the ones Pletcher fails with then we can compare the two. Until then, don't.

NT

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

When Ramon starts getting on horses in the TC and BC races that are as good as the ones Pletcher fails with then we can compare the two. Until then, don't.

NT

did chris antly win his derbies on the best 2 horses in the race , my god , charismatic was a claimer , strike the gold was the best horse in that field? , yup those 2 paid 5 and change to win they were the best


still waiting ramon still waiting

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

So basically, you throw out the entire year of racing and deterime how good a jockey is based on how they do in about 17 races (The TC & the BC). The guy could win almost %25 of the time and be in the money over %55, but since he is 0-fer the TC/BC he is not an elite jock. This is really some vendetta you have against him, huh? Your logic/thinking on this on is mind boggling.

Are you talking about Russel Baze or Ramon Dominguez????

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Are you talking about Russel Baze or Ramon Dominguez????

You right, I should have specified that the jockey in question did it on argueably what is the best/deepest (jockey colony wise) circuit 8 months out of the year. Hopefully that would have answered your question.

[gamblin4ever]

According to what was said, Ramon D isn't that great because no T/C wins.
Garret Gomez,Julian Leparoux the two finalist as top jockey also has 0 wins in the T/C. So based on talk, none of the 3 holds a candle to the great Calvin Borel or the great Kent D. The point being it takes alot of racing luck to win these big races, not just being on good horses.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

According to what was said, Ramon D isn't that great because no T/C wins.
Garret Gomez,Julian Leparoux the two finalist as top jockey also has 0 wins in the T/C. So based on talk, none of the 3 holds a candle to the great Calvin Borel or the great Kent D. The point being it takes alot of racing luck to win these big races, not just being on good horses.

Jerry Bailey, Laffit Pincay, Angel Cordero, Chris McCarron, Pat Day, Gary Stevens, Garret Gomez, etc. are some of the luckiest jockeys ever.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

You right, I should have specified that the jockey in question did it on argueably what is the best/deepest (jockey colony wise) circuit 8 months out of the year. Hopefully that would have answered your question.

Deepest??? Best??? I am looking at AQU Jockey standings right now and he is just schooling the likes of David Cohen, Angel Serpa (Who?), Napravnik and Charles Lopez (Who?) Doesnt Aqueduct run 6 months out of the year? Again another example of a good jockey crushing a poor-mediocre group of jockeys,

You also forget that your top tier jockeys in NYRA are spent shuffling around Keeneland, Gulfstream, Churchill. And again they dont ride near as enough mounts as Dominguez to even contend jockey titles. What they do beat him in is definetely in Graded stakes win.

Also, you seem to empasize wins in Claiming, ALW as more important than anything else.

I am not going to argue that Dominguez is a good jockey or not but as far as being elite --Not yet my friend.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Deepest??? Best??? I am looking at AQU Jockey standings right now and he is just schooling the likes of David Cohen, Angel Serpa (Who?), Napravnik and Charles Lopez (Who?) Doesnt Aqueduct run 6 months out of the year? Again another example of a good jockey crushing a poor-mediocre group of jockeys,

You also forget that your top tier jockeys in NYRA are spent shuffling around Keeneland, Gulfstream, Churchill. And again they dont ride near as enough mounts as Dominguez to even contend jockey titles. What they do beat him in is definetely in Graded stakes win.

Also, you seem to empasize wins in Claiming, ALW as more important than anything else.

I am not going to argue that Dominguez is a good jockey or not but as far as being elite --Not yet my friend.

How can you win over 300 races on the NY circuit and not be elite? Because he didn't win a BC race? The guy has been on a major circuit for one year full time! How many mounts do you think he was going to accumulate?

I'd reserve judgment on whether Dominguez is "not elite" until he gets quite a few more legitimate mounts in big races.

NT