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Old 01-18-2010, 02:14 PM
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The "all weather" track pitch is a complete fraud.. perpetrated by some savvy snake oil salesmen to a few ignorant people.
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Old 01-18-2010, 02:17 PM
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The "all weather" track pitch is a complete fraud.. perpetrated by some savvy snake oil salesmen to a few ignorant people.
I can't agree with that. It's worked at almost every other track. Hollywood Park takes the rain great. Golden Gate takes it great. They botched the job at Santa Anita. Just because they botched the job at SA, that's not an indictment against all of the "all-weather" tracks.
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Old 01-18-2010, 02:18 PM
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The "all weather" track pitch is a complete fraud.. perpetrated by some savvy snake oil salesmen to a few ignorant people.

Its not a fraud , it works at other tracks , the freaking nimrods that installed the "drainage" system with that crap material when it was first laid down screwed it up. Either way still better than the old track and watching horses die EVERYDAY.
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Old 01-18-2010, 02:31 PM
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Keep on drinking the kool-aid...
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Old 01-18-2010, 02:40 PM
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The Santa Anita problems appear to be limited to that site.
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Old 01-18-2010, 02:45 PM
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Keep on drinking the kool-aid...
Honu has ridden there every day for at least the past 6-7 years. I think she knows what she's talking about.

In addition, the synthetic track has been a huge success at Arlington. Ask any of the Chicago people on this board. Field size is way up at Arlington and the number of breakdowns has gone way down. Poly has been a huge success at Arlington.
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Old 01-18-2010, 02:49 PM
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The jockeys enjoy falling on it as well.
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Old 01-18-2010, 02:55 PM
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Either way still better than the old track and watching horses die EVERYDAY.
Exaggerate often?

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Old 01-18-2010, 06:26 PM
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Exaggerate often?

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You are right I should have said , dying more often and seeing the horse ambulance out everday.
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Old 01-18-2010, 06:54 PM
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Could the synthetic out be also in hopes of becoming the permanent spot of the Breeder's Cup?
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Old 01-18-2010, 08:04 PM
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Could the synthetic out be also in hopes of becoming the permanent spot of the Breeder's Cup?
Fine with me.
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Old 01-18-2010, 08:17 PM
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Could the synthetic out be also in hopes of becoming the permanent spot of the Breeder's Cup?
I hope not. The Breeders Cup needs to move to differant tracks for the everyday fan to have a chance to experiance it live. Just my thought.
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Old 01-19-2010, 10:50 AM
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Could the synthetic out be also in hopes of becoming the permanent spot of the Breeder's Cup?
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Old 01-18-2010, 02:58 PM
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Its not a fraud , it works at other tracks , the freaking nimrods that installed the "drainage" system with that crap material when it was first laid down screwed it up. Either way still better than the old track and watching horses die EVERYDAY.
Did you ever consider that if they rebuilt a dirt surface are installed propper drainage, created a world class base, and maintained it correctly that it could be as safe and as well received by the industry?
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Old 01-18-2010, 03:12 PM
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Did you ever consider that if they rebuilt a dirt surface are installed propper drainage, created a world class base, and maintained it correctly that it could be as safe and as well received by the industry?
The above makes great sense, obviously - but track supers have had decades to do that, and it apparently never crossed anybody's mind to do so. Why not?

And ever after synthetic tracks have been around, and the above suggestion has been made - track supers of dirt tracks still don't do it. I guess they feel their tracks are fine, settle down fine after a winter and are initially groomed and gotten into shape for the first meet?

For example, New York - all the freezing and thawing and heaving the base must undergo on the outer every winter - but come spring they never pull back the cushion, check the base and correct any holes.
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Ron Charles was just on HRTV saying an announcement about the future of Santa Anita's surface will be coming very soon.
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Ron Charles was just on HRTV saying an announcement about the future of Santa Anita's surface will be coming very soon.
http://www.drf.com/news/article/110190.html

You got a mention on TVG today by the way... "Is Travis Stone calling LaD quarters this meet?" "No, he's working in some capacity at Gulfstream"
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One would think it would be more cost effective to correctly upgrade the drainage at SA than to remove the entire track and install dirt.
I would think that either way they would have to remove the track to fix the drainage.
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Old 01-18-2010, 03:17 PM
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Ron Charles was just on HRTV saying an announcement about the future of Santa Anita's surface will be coming very soon.
He did say that the current surface would likely be removed at the end of the meet. Here Here!
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Old 01-18-2010, 03:18 PM
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Didn't I read a while ago that up to 1,000 horses run and train over that surface every day ?
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