Union logic

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I see a problem with leaving a loophole in a labor contract that would give a union this much leverage, at this stage of the game. That's all I'm pointing out -

Believe me, AFSCME realizes this and cannot and will not afford the negative pub they will get if they hold fast - they are simply trying to coerce every dime they can for their 6 members, which is their job... but if they want to be greedy, I'm sure the place can run just fine without them.

Because at the end of it all, the meet should go on with or without them.

It's not 1972 - regardless of how badassed organized labor is there, the economy is as bad as I can ever remember and frankly every job is valuable, whether a teller, hot dog concessionaire, or backstretch worker, AFSCME is doing nothing to feed my family.

If they caused me to lose my livelihood and the livelihood of hundreds of other individuals all because 6 overstuffed, overprivileged, state employees can't bilk unearned money from my employer I can honestly say that I'd not only cross their fucl<ing picket line, I'd spit in their faces as I did.

Did you read the story? A meet most certainly will not go on without them if the racing board maintains its stance. If they dont get a deal done the meet is 3 days long. And being that 2 of them are stewards and one is the state vet some are necessary in order to run.

75 days of pay for 52 days of work. Only unions think this isnt a good deal especially in this economy.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Did you read the story? A meet most certainly will not go on without them if the racing board maintains its stance. If they dont get a deal done the meet is 3 days long. And being that 2 of them are stewards and one is the state vet some are necessary in order to run.

75 days of pay for 52 days of work. Only unions think this isnt a good deal especially in this economy.

Yup. Read the story. I'll recap it for you - It pointed out that there was a meeting yesterday to discuss this agreement because the current agreement is unacceptable by the union and if not resolved, as it stands, the commission will reduce the meet to 3 days.

Nowhere does it say that the racing commission can't or won't modify their stance, since the agreement, apparently, is between the state and the union, to get their nose out of the middle of it.
It doesn't mention the option of offering these 6 the balance of the days worked at other tracks throughout the year to get them to the 130 in their contract.
It doesn't even really give an explanation as to why, if the track took no part in the original agreement, they ought to be on the hook for paying state wages for work not performed.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Yup. Read the story. I'll recap it for you - It pointed out that there was a meeting yesterday to discuss this agreement because the current agreement is unacceptable by the union and if not resolved, as it stands, the commission will reduce the meet to 3 days.

Nowhere does it say that the racing commission can't or won't modify their stance, since the agreement, apparently, is between the state and the union, to get their nose out of the middle of it.
It doesn't mention the option of offering these 6 the balance of the days worked at other tracks throughout the year to get them to the 130 in their contract.
It doesn't even really give an explanation as to why, if the track took no part in the original agreement, they ought to be on the hook for paying state wages for work not performed.

Exactly, it doesnt say that so why would it be so?

Where are Thoroughbred Stewards and a secretary going to make those days up? Dont you think the other tracks union employees arent already locked in there?

Perhaps you are reading it differently to come up with so many possible scenarios. It seems to me to be pretty cut and dry. The union either takes the 75 days or something close or they remain at a stalemate depending on the results of the hearing.

And the racing commission IS the state. The comments at the end of the story are from the Racing commission.

[Cannon Shell]

http://suburbanjournals.stltoday.com...vj-park000.txt

This article better descibes the issue which is between the union and the state via the racing commission, not the track.

While the racing commission is being flippant in using the days as a negotiating tactic the union doesnt really have very much leverage here. Unions in hurting industries better get with the program or their members wont have any jobs. Very few unionized industries like the automakers will be propped up by the govt.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://suburbanjournals.stltoday.com...vj-park000.txt

This article better descibes the issue which is between the union and the state via the racing commission, not the track.

While the racing commission is being flippant in using the days as a negotiating tactic the union doesnt really have very much leverage here. Unions in hurting industries better get with the program or their members wont have any jobs. Very few unionized industries like the automakers will be propped up by the govt.

all i know is when i was working (sheetmetal). the building trades unions are different. i worked in a non union shop at first, when i got into the union my pay and benefits went up substantially. if i had to work in NYC or Conn. they paid me "rate" for that locals district, which is a hell of alot more than you'll make in upstate ny. in building trades the owners are all union or former union members. they have no qualms about paying their people and the companies are all making money. of course i've been retired for 5 years so i imagine they are hurting now because of the economy. i know some of these unions hurt business but before unions people worked everyday for whatever they could get. next weekend, thank the unions for such a thing. when your kid does not get his hand cut off in a machine at age 12 or 14 , again , thank the union. when people are able to negotiate a contract through "COLLECTIVE" bargaining, thank the unions. try getting a better deal from a non union shop by yourself. like my example, wal mart, non union, selling crap from china where "assistant managers" make about 9 bucks an hour. they are scared to death of the unions becuase they are getting away with modern day slavery. yeah, we get to pay a dollar ten for a widget, but what is the real cost to our society? take a look around, blue collar skilled work used to pay something. theres a reason unions are being demonized.

[dellinger63]

Just curious, I wonder how much Union pension money is invested in WalMart stock?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

all i know is when i was working (sheetmetal). the building trades unions are different. i worked in a non union shop at first, when i got into the union my pay and benefits went up substantially. if i had to work in NYC or Conn. they paid me "rate" for that locals district, which is a hell of alot more than you'll make in upstate ny. in building trades the owners are all union or former union members. they have no qualms about paying their people and the companies are all making money. of course i've been retired for 5 years so i imagine they are hurting now because of the economy. i know some of these unions hurt business but before unions people worked everyday for whatever they could get. next weekend, thank the unions for such a thing. when your kid does not get his hand cut off in a machine at age 12 or 14 , again , thank the union. when people are able to negotiate a contract through "COLLECTIVE" bargaining, thank the unions. try getting a better deal from a non union shop by yourself. like my example, wal mart, non union, selling crap from china where "assistant managers" make about 9 bucks an hour. they are scared to death of the unions becuase they are getting away with modern day slavery. yeah, we get to pay a dollar ten for a widget, but what is the real cost to our society? take a look around, blue collar skilled work used to pay something. theres a reason unions are being demonized.

Before unions? Like the 30's?

Like many things they were needed and useful at one time. However the role they play now is not what they were designed for and a lot of those jobs lost overseas were simply because unions demands were outrageous enough to encourage them to leave. Unions = great for the members, terrible for everyone else

[SCUDSBROTHER]

The meet should be about 3 days. If it was baseball, it'd be called "Half A" ball.