Andrew Beyer's comments about TVG

[blackthroatedwind]

In my opinion there is a basic misconception, or disconnect, in racing between what people want and what they are given. If you ask me, the way to get people interested in racing ( if this is possible ) is to present an intelligent analysis that also allows the for the possibility of teaching people something. The more people learn the more likely they are to come closer to making money and thus very probably get more involved in playing.

Look at Poker....they have guys like Phil Helmuth and Howard Lederer doing television. These guys are two of the greatest players in the world. OK, we have Randy Moss and then a smattering of knowledgable people sprinkled around the country and then a lot of people offering absolutely nothing and more likely to lead people in the wrong direction than help them. What racing needs, and I'm not saying this will solve all woes but at least it will be a step in the right direction, is more knowledge and less supposed style.

[Gander]

Why should we care what Beyer thinks about TVG? His picks suck, he shouldnt throw stones at glass houses. When was the last time he picked a winner? Cajun Beat in the BC, which we hear about over and over. Big whoop.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Gander

Why should we care what Beyer thinks about TVG? His picks suck, he shouldnt throw stones at glass houses. When was the last time he picked a winner? Cajun Beat in the BC, which we hear about over and over. Big whoop.

Because he is the greatest racing writer of all time.

He picks a lot of winners, if you would like we can discuss the Pick-6 he hit at Del Mar this past meet, and when was the last time he brought up Cajun Beat?

If you think his house is made of glass then you are mistaken.

[Bystander]

Originally Posted by Gander

Why should we care what Beyer thinks about TVG? His picks suck, he shouldnt throw stones at glass houses. When was the last time he picked a winner? Cajun Beat in the BC, which we hear about over and over. Big whoop.

Because he writes damn good HORSERACING editorials, perhaps?
I don't really get the whole "when's the last time he picked a winner" argument anyway. Why who he picked today, yesterday, or in the 2003 BC makes any difference to you or to anyone who follows his writing is nonsensical- is he a public handicapper?

He is someone who revolutionized handicapping- whether or not you use his speed figures, and someone who has the guts to speak out on subjects other racing "journalists" cower from.

[Gander]

He must be real bored if he is complaining about guys on TVG giving out picks. Must be jealous of Brad free for nailing Fairplex the other day. His ego is so big I'm surprised it fits in his head. I guess I would equate it to the star cheerleader who gets jealous when a new cheerleader moves into town and starts getting attention. LOL!

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Gander

He must be real bored if he is complaining about guys on TVG giving out picks. Must be jealous of Brad free for nailing Fairplex the other day. His ego is so big I'm surprised it fits in his head. I guess I would equate it to the star cheerleader who gets jealous when a new cheerleader moves into town and starts getting attention. LOL!

Gander, this article was a while ago, not recent, maybe two weeks ago

[Gander]

Well that shows you what a complete idiot I am. Go ahead and shoot me Scavs. I am a worthless slug anyways. Get it over with, just dont make me suffer. You know that song "Loser" by Beck? It was written about me.

[Scav]

trust me, i have you beat in that department, at least you don't lose money playing Retama

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Gander

He must be real bored if he is complaining about guys on TVG giving out picks. Must be jealous of Brad free for nailing Fairplex the other day. His ego is so big I'm surprised it fits in his head. I guess I would equate it to the star cheerleader who gets jealous when a new cheerleader moves into town and starts getting attention. LOL!

Are you kidding me?????? This is some of the most outrageous garbage I have read in quite a while. What the hell do you know about Beyer? And, considering the feedback I have seen from the article I would say MANY more people are happy with what he has written than otherwise.

Just to clue you in, since unlike you I happen to know Andy Beyer EXTREMELY well, he is the least jealous person I have probably ever met in my life. Unlike most people around the racetrack he roots for all his friends ( and I would guess he and Brad are at LEAST friendly....though that comment of yours was so lame I shouldn't even dignify it with a response ). When I hit a big Pick-6 a year and a half ago he was almost as excited as I was ( and, no, he did not have a piece ).

In a business full of irresponsible journalism Andy Beyer stands out as a beacon of integrity. What have you done to make such outrageous accusations?

[jpops757]

TVG and HRTV are both driven by the gambling aspect, which is huge. Untill the NTRA or some other national orgination starts providing an outlet similar to NBATV or NFLTV, gambling will be the focus. Untill the industry takes the lead gambling will rull the roost and the industry will just provide the vehicle. To help promote the industry a national channel could draw in new fans. Part of the poker craze can be atributed to the TV saturation. NBA and NFL keep expanding there product. The horseracing industry needs to put the game in front of the public. You cant make them go to the track but you can put the races in front of them at home. Thus luring them to the track.

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

In my opinion there is a basic misconception, or disconnect, in racing between what people want and what they are given. If you ask me, the way to get people interested in racing ( if this is possible ) is to present an intelligent analysis that also allows the for the possibility of teaching people something. The more people learn the more likely they are to come closer to making money and thus very probably get more involved in playing.

Look at Poker....they have guys like Phil Helmuth and Howard Lederer doing television. These guys are two of the greatest players in the world. OK, we have Randy Moss and then a smattering of knowledgable people sprinkled around the country and then a lot of people offering absolutely nothing and more likely to lead people in the wrong direction than help them. What racing needs, and I'm not saying this will solve all woes but at least it will be a step in the right direction, is more knowledge and less supposed style.

I can't say it enough - required reading page #64 in the Sept / October HorsePlayer Magazine, Randy Moss's column

I agree 100% with what you said. As a 3 year working on 4 year player in this game, I want educated. Now, when I am at the Track / Simulcast Hall I understand that the majority their are not wanting educated, they want a hit, they want to borrow, steal, play a race off the tote boad with 1 minute to post based on odds etc, hang around the machine and wait on Kev to leave a voucher (sorry brother. just a dig at ya lol)