Andrew Beyer's comments about TVG

[SundayStar]

Originally Posted by Scav

How can you say TVG is showing lots of races. There are plenty of times where a race was going off at a 'lower' track only for them to show a friggin post parade, they are improving but there is 10 minutes in between post parade and post, and the parade is only like 1 minute, plenty of time to show the race, put the parade on delay and then make our decisions

well, nobody's perfect. what i mean by lots of races is they are showing races from 11:00 in the morning until midnight (central time). that's a whole bunch of races. you're rgiht about them catering to the bigger tracks. but they usually will show the smaller track races on tape delay.... if not the whole race, the stretch.

[Scav]

What they need to do is set up another channel, one for commentary and another with 4 track feeds on it, like some OTB's do. I doubt cable companies would pick it up, but I guarantee that TVG users would load that up on their computer screen. It would be a great idea.

On another note, any person that actually used TVG as their betting service needs to get their head examined. 25 cents per wager. I already lose $500 a day and they want me to pay like $20 to lose that money, I consider it gross misconduct.

In California, you can use Youbet and not have to pay to lose your money, you could also go offshore and get 7% of your wagers back, if you were offshore, it is like a $55 swing (Instead of being out $20 in wagers, you are +$35 in rebates on $500 wagered)

[Scav]

Clarification: Reason I used California as an example is because like 60% of there account base is from there, according to Allevato

[blackthroatedwind]

In my opinion there is a basic misconception, or disconnect, in racing between what people want and what they are given. If you ask me, the way to get people interested in racing ( if this is possible ) is to present an intelligent analysis that also allows the for the possibility of teaching people something. The more people learn the more likely they are to come closer to making money and thus very probably get more involved in playing.

Look at Poker....they have guys like Phil Helmuth and Howard Lederer doing television. These guys are two of the greatest players in the world. OK, we have Randy Moss and then a smattering of knowledgable people sprinkled around the country and then a lot of people offering absolutely nothing and more likely to lead people in the wrong direction than help them. What racing needs, and I'm not saying this will solve all woes but at least it will be a step in the right direction, is more knowledge and less supposed style.

[Gander]

Why should we care what Beyer thinks about TVG? His picks suck, he shouldnt throw stones at glass houses. When was the last time he picked a winner? Cajun Beat in the BC, which we hear about over and over. Big whoop.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Gander

Why should we care what Beyer thinks about TVG? His picks suck, he shouldnt throw stones at glass houses. When was the last time he picked a winner? Cajun Beat in the BC, which we hear about over and over. Big whoop.

Because he is the greatest racing writer of all time.

He picks a lot of winners, if you would like we can discuss the Pick-6 he hit at Del Mar this past meet, and when was the last time he brought up Cajun Beat?

If you think his house is made of glass then you are mistaken.

[Bystander]

Originally Posted by Gander

Why should we care what Beyer thinks about TVG? His picks suck, he shouldnt throw stones at glass houses. When was the last time he picked a winner? Cajun Beat in the BC, which we hear about over and over. Big whoop.

Because he writes damn good HORSERACING editorials, perhaps?
I don't really get the whole "when's the last time he picked a winner" argument anyway. Why who he picked today, yesterday, or in the 2003 BC makes any difference to you or to anyone who follows his writing is nonsensical- is he a public handicapper?

He is someone who revolutionized handicapping- whether or not you use his speed figures, and someone who has the guts to speak out on subjects other racing "journalists" cower from.

[Gander]

He must be real bored if he is complaining about guys on TVG giving out picks. Must be jealous of Brad free for nailing Fairplex the other day. His ego is so big I'm surprised it fits in his head. I guess I would equate it to the star cheerleader who gets jealous when a new cheerleader moves into town and starts getting attention. LOL!

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

In my opinion there is a basic misconception, or disconnect, in racing between what people want and what they are given. If you ask me, the way to get people interested in racing ( if this is possible ) is to present an intelligent analysis that also allows the for the possibility of teaching people something. The more people learn the more likely they are to come closer to making money and thus very probably get more involved in playing.

Look at Poker....they have guys like Phil Helmuth and Howard Lederer doing television. These guys are two of the greatest players in the world. OK, we have Randy Moss and then a smattering of knowledgable people sprinkled around the country and then a lot of people offering absolutely nothing and more likely to lead people in the wrong direction than help them. What racing needs, and I'm not saying this will solve all woes but at least it will be a step in the right direction, is more knowledge and less supposed style.

I can't say it enough - required reading page #64 in the Sept / October HorsePlayer Magazine, Randy Moss's column

I agree 100% with what you said. As a 3 year working on 4 year player in this game, I want educated. Now, when I am at the Track / Simulcast Hall I understand that the majority their are not wanting educated, they want a hit, they want to borrow, steal, play a race off the tote boad with 1 minute to post based on odds etc, hang around the machine and wait on Kev to leave a voucher (sorry brother. just a dig at ya lol)