Lets hope Halladay is a playoff stud like Lee

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I can't believe they gave Lee up to not pay him $9 million. If Seattle falls out of contention they will get better prospects trading Lee at the All Star break then the Phillies gave up in trading him now. Really strange and cheap move, don't get it at all. Could have understood it if they had to give up Lee to keep Taylor and Drabek but can't understand it in this context.

i agree. 9 freaking million is nothing for a player like Cliff Lee.

If anything they would get two draft picks for him at FA next year.

All because they were fuc.king idiots and gave Jamie Moyer a 2 year 18 mil deal.

Just man up and pay 9 mil. You had 102% attendence for the year PLUS playoff home games. They can afford it.

Bad move but they said they needed to do it to fill up a depleted minor league system.. which was one of the best last year and now had nobody but Dominic Brown and this Phillipe canadian pitcher dude.

Way to be cheapo's!

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i agree. 9 freaking million is nothing for a player like Cliff Lee.

If anything they would get two draft picks for him at FA next year.

All because they were fuc.king idiots and gave Jamie Moyer a 2 year 18 mil deal.

Just man up and pay 9 mil. You had 102% attendence for the year PLUS playoff home games. They can afford it.

Bad move but they said they needed to do it to fill up a depleted minor league system.. which was one of the best last year and now had nobody but Dominic Brown and this Phillipe canadian pitcher dude.

Way to be cheapo's!

Didn't it also have something to do with their chances of re-signing Lee after next year? I guess the idea of getting Halladay now before you have to potentially overpay in free agency won out.

Kyle Drabek has already had Tommy John surgery, so one has to wonder if he might just be a #3 prospect, as Tim Kurkjian said on ESPN this morning.

It seemed like Halladay was basically begging them to trade for him and I'm confident he's a better pitcher than Cliff Lee.

NT

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Didn't it also have something to do with their chances of re-signing Lee after next year? I guess the idea of getting Halladay now before you have to potentially overpay in free agency won out.

Kyle Drabek has already had Tommy John surgery, so one has to wonder if he might just be a #3 prospect, as Tim Kurkjian said on ESPN this morning.

It seemed like Halladay was basically begging them to trade for him and I'm confident he's a better pitcher than Cliff Lee.

NT

If all goes well with Halladay he'll be there for 4 years $80 million. I have a hard time believing the Phillies would have had any difficulty getting an extension with Lee if they were willing to talk those sort of numbers. Wouldn't you rather pay Halladay money to Lee and keep your prospects? 6'6" 250 lb guys that can run the bases and don't strike out often don't grow on trees.

Cheapest part of this deal is that the Phillies got $6 million from the Blue Jays in it. If anything they should cut prices to their season ticket holders for being so cheap.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

If all goes well with Halladay he'll be there for 4 years $80 million. I have a hard time believing the Phillies would have had any difficulty getting an extension with Lee if they were willing to talk those sort of numbers. Wouldn't you rather pay Halladay money to Lee and keep your prospects? 6'6" 250 lb guys that can run the bases and don't strike out often don't grow on trees.

Cheapest part of this deal is that the Phillies got $6 million from the Blue Jays in it. If anything they should cut prices to their season ticket holders for being so cheap.

I think the Phillies did the right thing. Halladay is better than Lee despite what Lee did in the post season last year. Halladay was willing to sign long term...Lee wasn't. My guess is Lee wouldn't have signed with the Phillies. The Mariners got a good pitcher cheap for one year and are legitimate contenders this year with Felix/Lee 1-2 in the rotation. And if it doesn't work, the Mariners can get prospects back that they traded for Lee at the trading deadline. It made sense all the way around for all teams.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Didn't it also have something to do with their chances of re-signing Lee after next year? I guess the idea of getting Halladay now before you have to potentially overpay in free agency won out.

Kyle Drabek has already had Tommy John surgery, so one has to wonder if he might just be a #3 prospect, as Tim Kurkjian said on ESPN this morning.

It seemed like Halladay was basically begging them to trade for him and I'm confident he's a better pitcher than Cliff Lee.

NT

Yes, but the Lee trade to Seattle ended up having no players from that go to Toronto, so they could have got Halladay anyway.

Even if your chances on signing Lee next year are slim, if you wait and trade him during the season at the trading deadline I bet you'd get better prospects... and even if you just lose him next year you still get two draft picks cause he's a type A free agent.

And 9 million gets you Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Happ as your rotation for a whole year and a clear favorite to win the world series.

They Phillies staff said they had to make the trade to fill up their now depleted farm.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Yes, but the Lee trade to Seattle ended up having no players from that go to Toronto, so they could have got Halladay anyway.

Even if your chances on signing Lee next year are slim, if you wait and trade him during the season at the trading deadline I bet you'd get better prospects... and even if you just lose him next year you still get two draft picks cause he's a type A free agent.

And 9 million gets you Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Happ as your rotation for a whole year and a clear favorite to win the world series.

They Phillies staff said they had to make the trade to fill up their now depleted farm.

Yeah, but if gets hurt or stinks they would be screwed. Also if they were for some reason out of the playoff race (which is most unlikely) then they would be the team getting leveraged. If they were in it, they would simply keep him.
All that being said, with the team that they have I would have kept Lee and went for it. They are built to win now, I'll worry about the future/prospects 2 years from now.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

The reason they didn't get one nice overlapping year with a minimum of 2 allstar starting pitchers is what? , or The rest of the league would like to thank the Philly management.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The reason they didn't get one nice overlapping year with a minimum of 2 allstar starting pitchers is what? , or The rest of the league would like to thank the Philly management.

99% . The prospects they got back for Lee are not top of the line guys. The fact that Toronto gave them $6 million in the trade makes it even more unforgivable.

Sniper-zero chance lee signs a deal like Halladay did. He is going to want a long term deal with a whole lot more guaranteed money. Halladay's signing for a far below market rate may be the bigest surprise of all.

[Smooth Operator]

Looks like Amaro and Montgomery are developing the same LOSER mentality that the local pro football team with ZERO rings has.


UNBELIEVABLE



REAL Philly sports fans wanted them to find a way to keep you in red and white, Cliff.

Thanks for that STELLAR performance last season.

Good luck, bro…

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Yeah, but if gets hurt or stinks they would be screwed. Also if they were for some reason out of the playoff race (which is most unlikely) then they would be the team getting leveraged. If they were in it, they would simply keep him.
All that being said, with the team that they have I would have kept Lee and went for it. They are built to win now, I'll worry about the future/prospects 2 years from now.

You mean as opposed to if that happens with Halladay!!! Halladay gets hit by a bus tomorrow and is in a wheelchair the rest of his life and they are out $60 million plus the buyout for the option. That happens to Cliff Lee and they are out $9 million. You can't justify certain moves on the worst case scenario while ignoring the worst case scenario for other moves.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

You mean as opposed to if that happens with Halladay!!! Halladay gets hit by a bus tomorrow and is in a wheelchair the rest of his life and they are out $60 million plus the buyout for the option. That happens to Cliff Lee and they are out $9 million. You can't justify certain moves on the worst case scenario while ignoring the worst case scenario for other moves.

I was responding soley to the point Aunty made about waiting to the deadline thinking that they would have gotten more for Lee if they traded him then. Also I mentioned that for some reason they stunk they probably would have gotten less for him also, so it wasn't only a look at the worst case scenario.
Personally like I stated I would have rolled the dice and tried to keep them both for this season. Possibly making it back/winning the World Series would offset losing Lee for nothing. They should have went for it.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I was responding soley to the point Aunty made about waiting to the deadline thinking that they would have gotten more for Lee if they traded him then. Also I mentioned that for some reason they stunk they probably would have gotten less for him also, so it wasn't only a look at the worst case scenario.
Personally like I stated I would have rolled the dice and tried to keep them both for this season. Possibly making it back/winning the World Series would offset losing Lee for nothing. They should have went for it.

The main problem is I think the $6 million the Phillies got for Lee is worth far more than the 3 prospects they got from Seattle. If they got Ackley or Saunders it would have been one thing but the three guys they got are not even remotely close to the top 50 prospects in the nation. You don't give up Cliff Lee for that to save $9 million and get another $6 million in cash. That is just a kick in the balls to your season ticket holders. They didn't refuel their minor league system, all they did was put $15 million into their pockets in exchange for giving up World Series favoritism.