Tiger Woods seriously injured

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by jms62

If they find he used the Blood Spinning to help his knee heal I don't see this as performance enhancing.. I view this as therapy.

I agree about the Blood Spinning.. but he could have used other stuff like the "cream" to help heal.

[Gander]

Tiger doesnt weigh 215. I wouldnt put anything past this weirdo, but not everybody who has substantial positive gains in their physique are using supplements. A lot get it through hard work and the proper direction. Any personal trainer who tells you that you can only expect to gain 3-4 pounds doesnt know what he/she is talking about.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Gander

Tiger doesnt weigh 215. I wouldnt put anything past this weirdo, but not everybody who has substantial positive gains in their physique are using supplements. A lot get it through hard work and the proper direction. Any personal trainer who tells you that you can only expect to gain 3-4 pounds doesnt know what he/she is talking about.

Exactly.

[jms62]

I think there is miscommunication from the trainer. 3-4 pounds a YEAR is reasonable without "supplementing"

[randallscott35]

Wife is divorcing him according to People magazine. Bout time.

[randallscott35]

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/20...nordegren.html

[Sightseek]

Yea Elin!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Wife is divorcing him according to People magazine. Bout time.

good for her. too bad he brought two little ones into the world only to do this to them.

and tiger voted athlete of the decade, just saw that this morning.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Wife is divorcing him according to People magazine. Bout time.

Good. Maybe we'll see him back sooner now.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by jms62

I think there is miscommunication from the trainer. 3-4 pounds a YEAR is reasonable without "supplementing"

If you can only gain 3-4 pounds of muscle in one year without supplements, you're not doing the right exercises and definetely not eating right. I dont know of any valid personal trainer who would make such a statement, much less one that supposedly works with athletes.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Gander

Tiger doesnt weigh 215. I wouldnt put anything past this weirdo, but not everybody who has substantial positive gains in their physique are using supplements. A lot get it through hard work and the proper direction. Any personal trainer who tells you that you can only expect to gain 3-4 pounds doesnt know what he/she is talking about.

This trainer definitely knew what he was talking about. He trained professional athletes.

I guess when it comes to how much weight you can gain from lifting weights, it probably depends on alot of factors including your body type and whether you have worked out before. If you have a really skinny guy with zero muscle, he could probably gain more weight than a lean guy with muscle that has already been working out for years.

When I went to this trainer, I had already been working out a couple times a week for 15 years or so. I'm not a big guy. My weight doesn't fluctuate much. For as long as I can remember, I've been 5'9, 135 pounds. Anyway, I asked the trainer how much weight I would put on if I started working out really hard 4-5 days a week instead of twice a week. He told me that he would not expect me to gain more than 3 pounds or so. He was probably basing that on a number of factors including my body type. I don't have a big frame. A guy with a bigger frame could probably gain alot more than 3 pounds.

Tiger was pretty skinny when he was 20 years old. I don't know if he was working out with weights at that time. If he had never worked out with weights before, I think he could have gained much more than 3 pounds. He could have probably gained a good 10 pounds of muscle or so. But I don't know if he could have gained 25 pounds of muscle. That seems like alot to me.

Do you guys really think that if you started going to the gym every day and working out with weights that you would gain 25 pounds? There is no way.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

This trainer definitely knew what he was talking about. He trained professional athletes.

I guess when it comes to how much weight you can gain from lifting weights, it probably depends on alot of factors including your body type and whether you have worked out before. If you have a really skinny guy with zero muscle, he could probably gain more weight than a lean guy with muscle that has already been working out for years.

When I went to this trainer, I had already been working out a couple times a week for 15 years or so. I'm not a big guy. My weight doesn't fluctuate much. For as long as I can remember, I've been 5'9, 135 pounds. Anyway, I asked the trainer how much weight I would put on if I started working out really hard 4-5 days a week instead of twice a week. He told me that he would not expect me to gain more than 3 pounds or so. He was probably basing that on a number of factors including my body type. I don't have a big frame. A guy with a bigger frame could probably gain alot more than 3 pounds.

Tiger was pretty skinny when he was 20 years old. I don't know if he was working out with weights at that time. If he had never worked out with weights before, I think he could have gained much more than 3 pounds. He could have probably gained a good 10 pounds of muscle or so. But I don't know if he could have gained 25 pounds of muscle. That seems like alot to me.

Do you guys really think that if you started going to the gym every day and working out with weights that you would gain 25 pounds? There is no way.

I'm a woman and have gained probably 10 lbs or more of muscle in the past 10 years since I've began working out (I'm now 31, began when I was 21). My exboyfriend has gained 30 lbs of muscle since graduating high school - he is 27 now. My friend's boyfriend plays college football and gains 10 lbs of muscle between seasons. It can be done. It's hard work, but it can be done.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I'm a woman and have gained probably 10 lbs or more of muscle in the past 10 years since I've began working out (I'm now 31, began when I was 21). My exboyfriend has gained 30 lbs of muscle since graduating high school - he is 27 now. My friend's boyfriend plays college football and gains 10 lbs of muscle between seasons. It can be done. It's hard work, but it can be done.

Wow, that is surprising to me. I don't know why that personal trainer didn't think I could gain more than 3 pounds (although it turned out he was right).

I was working out with relatively heavy weights for my size. As I said, I'm 5'9, 135 pounds. When I would bench-press, I'd do sets of 125, 135, 145 pounds. At the time, I could max 185 pounds. But even working out really hard for over 1 1/2 hours, I still didn't gain more than a couple of pounds.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Wow, that is surprising to me. I don't know why that personal trainer didn't think I could gain more than 3 pounds (although it turned out he was right).

I was working out with relatively heavy weights for my size. As I said, I'm 5'9, 135 pounds. When I would bench-press, I'd do sets of 125, 135, 145 pounds. At the time, I could max 185 pounds. But even working out really hard for over 1 1/2 hours, I still didn't gain more than a couple of pounds.

Like everyone posted above, what you eat plays an enormous part of it.

Good points Gander regarding the cardio aspect of things.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

This trainer definitely knew what he was talking about. He trained professional athletes.

I guess when it comes to how much weight you can gain from lifting weights, it probably depends on alot of factors including your body type and whether you have worked out before. If you have a really skinny guy with zero muscle, he could probably gain more weight than a lean guy with muscle that has already been working out for years.

When I went to this trainer, I had already been working out a couple times a week for 15 years or so. I'm not a big guy. My weight doesn't fluctuate much. For as long as I can remember, I've been 5'9, 135 pounds. Anyway, I asked the trainer how much weight I would put on if I started working out really hard 4-5 days a week instead of twice a week. He told me that he would not expect me to gain more than 3 pounds or so. He was probably basing that on a number of factors including my body type. I don't have a big frame. A guy with a bigger frame could probably gain alot more than 3 pounds.

Tiger was pretty skinny when he was 20 years old. I don't know if he was working out with weights at that time. If he had never worked out with weights before, I think he could have gained much more than 3 pounds. He could have probably gained a good 10 pounds of muscle or so. But I don't know if he could have gained 25 pounds of muscle. That seems like alot to me.

Do you guys really think that if you started going to the gym every day and working out with weights that you would gain 25 pounds? There is no way.

If a guy like Tiger started lifting heavy weights and changed his diet and consumed lots of protein and protein shakes yes for sure.

The diet has everything to do with what you will gain when lifting and the type of lifting. High school football players / college can put on the 25 lbs of muscle in one year even minus steriods.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

If a guy like Tiger started lifting heavy weights and changed his diet and consumed lots of protein and protein shakes yes for sure.

The diet has everything to do with what you will gain when lifting and the type of lifting. High school football players / college can put on the 25 lbs of muscle in one year even minus steriods.

No doubt. Just look at pretty much all the younger NBA players and there "physical morph" from college ball. 3-4 years into the league and they all look like chiseled bodybuilders. Given how strict the NBA is with their drug poilicies, I'd find it hard to believe that even a small fraction of these guys are doing steroids.

If you do this for a living and you work hard and follow the advice of smart people and eat right, you grow the right way...without cheating.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

If a guy like Tiger started lifting heavy weights and changed his diet and consumed lots of protein and protein shakes yes for sure.

The diet has everything to do with what you will gain when lifting and the type of lifting. High school football players / college can put on the 25 lbs of muscle in one year even minus steriods.

25 pounds of muscle is impossible to gain in one year unless you're going through puberty/a big time growth spurt, juicing, or you're a mesomorph (in which case you'd probably have problems with your body fat levels and would have to go through a big time cut cycle post-bulk).

It's definitely possible that Tiger's body changes are the result of hard work and maturity - he's not really THAT big. He's physically gifted and is probably at the limits of what his body can achieve naturally, but I wouldn't put the use of HGH or other supplements past him considering his competitive nature and the knowledge we have about so many other top athletes.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

25 pounds of muscle is impossible to gain in one year unless you're going through puberty/a big time growth spurt, juicing, or you're a mesomorph (in which case you'd probably have problems with your body fat levels and would have to go through a big time cut cycle post-bulk).

It's definitely possible that Tiger's body changes are the result of hard work and maturity - he's not really THAT big. He's physically gifted and is probably at the limits of what his body can achieve naturally, but I wouldn't put the use of HGH or other supplements past him considering his competitive nature and the knowledge we have about so many other top athletes.

I don't think he gained all that weight in one year. I think it was over the course of about 5-10 years.

As you said, knowing the competitive nature of these top athletes, and knowing how many of them have used performance-enhancing drugs, I really don't think it is far-fetched to suspect that Tiger used HGH or something of that nature, especially now that we know he is linked to that doctor from Canada.

It's kind of unfortunate that there is so much cheating in this day and age that we suspect alot of people that may in fact be innocent. I obviously have no idea whether Tiger has used HGH or anything like that. But when you consider his weight gain and you consider that he was using that Canadian doctor, it is hard not to be somewhat suspicious.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think he gained all that weight in one year. I think it was over the course of about 5-10 years.

As you said, knowing the competitive nature of these top athletes, and knowing how many of them have used performance-enhancing drugs, I really don't think it is far-fetched to suspect that Tiger used HGH or something of that nature, especially now that we know he is linked to that doctor from Canada.

It's kind of unfortunate that there is so much cheating in this day and age that we suspect alot of people that may in fact be innocent. I obviously have no idea whether Tiger has used HGH or anything like that. But when you consider his weight gain and you consider that he was using that Canadian doctor, it is hard not to be somewhat suspicious.

I agree...and you have to mention his incredibly low morals too. Why wouldnt a guy so willing to destroy his own family take something to help him become even better at what he does? But in this case I just dont understand why HGH would get someone like Tiger over the hump in a sport as skilled as golf? He been able to drive the ball over 300 yards since he was a teenager.

I was wrong about Manny though so who knows.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think he gained all that weight in one year. I think it was over the course of about 5-10 years.

As you said, knowing the competitive nature of these top athletes, and knowing how many of them have used performance-enhancing drugs, I really don't think it is far-fetched to suspect that Tiger used HGH or something of that nature, especially now that we know he is linked to that doctor from Canada.

It's kind of unfortunate that there is so much cheating in this day and age that we suspect alot of people that may in fact be innocent. I obviously have no idea whether Tiger has used HGH or anything like that. But when you consider his weight gain and you consider that he was using that Canadian doctor, it is hard not to be somewhat suspicious.

He definitely didn't gain 25 pounds in a year - I was just responding to what Antitrust said.

Muscle/strength as it relates to golf is an interesting thing.

Rickie Fowler (who I already can't stand) weighs something like 135 lbs. and averaged 301 yards with the driver (10th on tour) in the few events he played. Flexibility, swing mechanics, and height are just as important if not more important than strength when it comes to hitting it far. The key, obviously, is to find the perfect balance between muscularity and flexibility.