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Nobody said that the research was useless. But what sort of response do you think your going to get on a horse racing message from an ill-timed status report that let's us know they need about 5 more years before they can get viable information? Becht, M., & Vingerhoets, A.J.J.M. (2002). Crying and mood change: A cross-cultural study. Cognition and Emotion, 16, 81101. Bylsma, L.M., Vingerhoets, A.J.J.M., & Rottenberg, J. (in press). When is crying cathartic? An international study. Journal of Social and Clinical Psychology. Cornelius, R.R. (2001). Crying and catharsis. In A.J.J.M. Vingerhoets & R.R. Cornelius (Eds.), Adult crying: A biopsychosocial approach (pp. 199212). Hove, UK: Routledge. Gross, J.J., Fredrickson, B.F., & Levenson, R.W. (1994).The psychophysiology of crying. Psychophysiology, 31, 460468. Hendriks, M.C.P., Rottenberg, J., & Vingerhoets, A.J.J.M. (2007). Can the distress-signal and arousal-reduction views of crying be reconciled? Evidence from the cardiovascular system. Emotion, 7, 458463. Lutz, T. (1999). Crying. The natural and cultural history of tears. New York: Norton Nelson, J.K. (2005). Seeing through tears: Crying and attachment. New York: Brunner-Routledge. Rottenberg, J., Gross, J.J., Wilhelm, F.H., Najmi, S., & Gotlib, I.H. (2002). Crying threshold and intensity in major depressive disorder. Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 111, 302312. Rottenberg, J., Wilhelm, F.H., Gross, J.J., & Gotlib, I.H. (2003). Vagal rebound during resolution of tearful crying episodes among depressed and nondepressed individuals. Psychophysiology, 40, 16. Rottenberg, J., Cevaal, A., & Vingerhoets, A.J.J.M. (2008). Do mood disorders alter crying? A pilot investigation. Depression and Anxiety, 25, E9E15. Rottenberg, J., Bylsma, L.M., Wolvin, V., & Vingerhoets, A.J.J.M. (2008). Tears of sorrow, tears of joy: An individual differences approach to crying in Dutch females. Personality and Individual Differences, 45, 367372. Vingerhoets, A.J.J.M. & Bylsma, L.M. (2007). Crying as a multifaceted health psychology conceptualisation: Crying as coping, risk factor, and symptom. The European Health Psychologist, 9, 6874. |
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Yeah. And I'm the crybaby? ![]() The laughable part is that if they didn't release anything, the whiners would be complaining they are hiding something, it's a waste of time, it's useless, etc. Yup. No wonder this industry is eating itself apart from the inside out.
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![]() I wonder how they ever managed to race horses in the past without all this data..........oh yeah thats right horses didnt break down back then and everybody just used hay, oats and water.
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I didnt say it sucked but there sure was alot of racing done before data and people doing research. I know the key to not having bleeders and having sound thoroughbreds..........DONT RACE THEM! Its not rocket science , check your horses legs , if your not sure and need more information consult the vet , get them to xray , nuclear scan whatever. DONT RACE THEM if they are limping.... if you can help it. Try and get them really fit for competition , just like a human athlete and agaiin if they limp try and not train them or race them if you can help it.
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![]() Honu, I think we have become so far removed from being an agricultural society, that a basic level of "animal common sense", as you relate, probably doesn't exist any more to any great extent.
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Do you really think the non-common sense people are going to read the data anyway , Im just sayin.
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Of course, theoretically, that would also mean that all this research (geared towards telling said horsemen when and when not to run their horses) would become moot. |
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The industry has already made the mistake of trying to interpret breakdown stats on a month by moth or meet by meet basis. There simply isnt enough data and too many variables until you have the proper amount of data. This is basic mathmatics. The reason that this industry has issues is that everybody has had their head up their asses forever and now instead of properly doing things it rushes to judgement as it is doing here. No one would complain about the "reports" not being released until they were told they existed. The fact is that one years worth of data (incomplete data at that) really cant be very telling can it? |
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The problem is these organizations in a usually desperate attempt to do "something" will impose some new regulations or standards using one year worth of data without any knowledge if it is bad or good. I have no issue with what they are doing other than it should have been started a long time ago. What i do have a problem is using incomplete or faulty data to change rules like they did with the shoes. The ironic part about that is different tracks STILL have different rules about the toe grabs. |
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Obviously if further accumulation of stats changes things, that will be apparent, too. Science isn't a static discipline. You can't overinterpret, but there will rarely be a day you can say, "Okay, we've waited long enough, and in hindsight, this is concrete". Maybe in physics. That gravity thing seems pretty solid.
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Ignoring that doesn't make it go away.
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