Jerry Brown's letter to TDN on HOY discussion

[CSC]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Im really not going to get into an argument with you if you think that there is no difference between dirt and poly, you have truly shown your ignorance on this matter with that post.

Wait a minute not so quick, you are so anti-poly that you disregard other factors for the failure of Curlin in the classic, that to me shows more ignorance than just blindly blaming it on the surface.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by CSC

Wait a minute not so quick, you are so anti-poly that you disregard other factors for the failure of Curlin in the classic, that to me shows more ignorance than just blindly blaming it on the surface.

I believe Curlin's form was declining and was further compounded by the surface. It wasn't an "exposure" of the horse's true abilities, however.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I believe Curlin's form was declining and was further compounded by the surface. It wasn't an "exposure" of the horse's true abilities, however.

We agree on this one Travis, I can't remember his exact beyer from the race but it wasn't far off his normal numbers for the yr post Dubai. It also didn't help that Albarado made a very premature move that may have suited dirt races, but rarely works on synth.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by CSC

We agree on this one Travis, I can't remember his exact beyer from the race but it wasn't far off his normal numbers for the yr post Dubai.

He also moved way too early in a race that loved the last move.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

He also moved way too early in a race that loved the last move.

ok, did not see your post before I posted.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I believe Curlin's form was declining and was further compounded by the surface. It wasn't an "exposure" of the horse's true abilities, however.

How about a rider deciding to commence his run to the lead on the turn? If he waits he is right there with the other two euro horses....and yes his form was declining, he handled the surface fine.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

How about a rider deciding to commence his run to the lead on the turn? If he waits he is right there with the other two euro horses....and yes his form was declining, he handled the surface fine.

The way I saw it, he probably finishes 2nd with a more patient ride and the question of him not handling the surface would be a moot one, Raven's Pass probably still wins it, he was much the best horse last year.

[Travis Stone]

Ultimately, and this is off topic, but everyone needs to finally admits that synthetics, dirt and turf are three different types of racing, and it's not dirt/synthetic and turf.

That's not to degrade a horse who loves only synths, or only dirt, but simply put, it's a different deal. Synthetics were a game changer on many fronts these past few years, and the BC in particular felt it.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Ultimately, and this is off topic, but everyone needs to finally admits that synthetics, dirt and turf are three different types of racing, and it's not dirt/synthetic and turf.

That's not to degrade a horse who loves only synths, or only dirt, but simply put, it's a different deal. Synthetics were a game changer on many fronts these past few years, and the BC in particular felt it.

Dont you think there are several votes that will penalize horses on synthetic graded races? Like Zensational?

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I think those were very fair comments by Jackson.