climate center hacked

[Cannon Shell]

So no big deal?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So no big deal?

can't help but think it'd be a huge deal if the roles were reversed. had any skeptics been outed, there'd be attention for days. this thread would be ten pages long by now.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So no big deal?

Not so far, and I sure don't expect it to be. First, this isn't a political issue. It's a scientific issue. Even if these guys were to end up completely discredited (won't happen, too much verification of their work over the years so far) - such as the guys in Japan who claimed cold fusion - it leaves the rest of the world's work and data intact. And I'm sure there exists some fellow professionals who would lust after their jobs, and be quite willing to run the numbers and take it to the wall. I'll quote someone else on this:

"The fact is the scientific consensus on climate change has been reached through the publication of thousands of peer-reviewed papers, field research and the lifetime’s work of some of humanity’s best minds. It’s obvious these emails didn’t even go through a spell-check let alone the rigorous peer-review process. Contrary to what the skeptics claim, the Royal Society, the US National Academy of Sciences, NASA and the world’s leading atmospheric scientists are not the agents of a clandestine global movement against the truth."

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not so far, and I sure don't expect it to be. First, this isn't a political issue. It's a scientific issue. Even if these guys were to end up completely discredited (won't happen, too much verification of their work over the years so far) - such as the guys in Japan who claimed cold fusion - it leaves the rest of the world's work and data intact. And I'm sure there exists some fellow professionals who would lust after their jobs, and be quite willing to run the numbers and take it to the wall. I'll quote someone else on this:

Au contraire. It is entirely a political issue. Politics are what is keeping this issue alive. Politics are funding these people. Without the political connection climate change is just another theory that goes away as people move on to the next thing. The fact that top scientists feel the need to doctor data and a need to discredit the opposition is troubling. You seem to forget that there are a lot of scientists on the other side of the debate. Scientists once thought the world was flat.

[Riot]

[quote]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Au contraire. It is entirely a political issue. Politics are what is keeping this issue alive. Politics are funding these people.

If you take this particular groups funding away, climate change still exists.

Without the political connection climate change is just another theory that goes away as people move on to the next thing. The fact that top scientists feel the need to doctor data and a need to discredit the opposition is troubling. You seem to forget that there are a lot of scientists on the other side of the debate. Scientists once thought the world was flat.

Climate change is hardly "just another theory". If one eliminates Al Gore from the discussion of climate change, it doesn't change anything but a talking point for Faux News. BTW, in science talk, a "theory" is equivalent to our current known proven reality.

Data wasn't "doctored" in the manner the politicos imply (as to alter outcome). As I said, infighting among scientists is pretty common.

There are not "alot of scientists" on "the other side" of the data. The vast, overwhelming conclusion of the majority of scientific experts in all associated specialities throughout the world, over the past 20-30 years, is most obviously that climate change and significant global warming are obviously real. The only mistake they have made is that it appears to be progressing faster than anticipated.

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=Riot]

If you take this particular groups funding away, climate change still exists.



Climate change is hardly "just another theory". If one eliminates Al Gore from the discussion of climate change, it doesn't change anything but a talking point for Faux News. BTW, in science talk, a "theory" is equivalent to our current known proven reality.

Data wasn't "doctored" in the manner the politicos imply (as to alter outcome). As I said, infighting among scientists is pretty common.

There are not "alot of scientists" on "the other side" of the data. The vast, overwhelming conclusion of the majority of scientific experts in all associated specialities throughout the world, over the past 20-30 years, is most obviously that climate change and significant global warming are obviously real. The only mistake they have made is that it appears to be progressing faster than anticipated.

While you are correct that climate change will still occur the theory of humans as being a major contributor is absolutely not proven science.

Take away funding for these scientists and the hubris disappears until the next random weather event occurs at least. The fact there is a billion dollar industry that drives the humans affect/cause golbal warming makes ANY proof that the whole thing is overstated fair game for thier side to attempt to discredit that proof or evidence. The more the real push behind the global warming crowd is exposed, the less the general public will believe.

[timmgirvan]

[quote=Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

While you are correct that climate change will still occur the theory of humans as being a major contributor is absolutely not proven science.

Take away funding for these scientists and the hubris disappears until the next random weather event occurs at least. The fact there is a billion dollar industry that drives the humans affect/cause golbal warming makes ANY proof that the whole thing is overstated fair game for thier side to attempt to discredit that proof or evidence. The more the real push behind the global warming crowd is exposed, the less the general public will believe.

Global warming=scewed science=political opportunists=scare tactics=more govt regs/control. EOS.. BIG BROTHER IS HERE