McLaughlin with 3 positives; Gets 30 day ban..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Actually I don't think he had a horse over $150K and most ranged in the $50-$80K range. Of the juveniles he brought to the BC, the cheapest was Noble's Promise at $10K and the most expensive was Connie and Michael at $100K. One horse was a homebred and the other two were $80K.

Sorry, if I was buying horses - McPeek would be my guy!

He didnt buy Nobles Promise. House of grace was 100k. Beautician was 110k.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He didnt buy Nobles Promise. House of grace was 100k. Beautician was 110k.

You can look on his website and see most of his purchases and/or horses running under him (I don't think Freddy was specifing only the horses bought by McPeek when he mentioned McPeek's winners at the KEE meet) are closer to the 50K range than the 500K range...

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/services/

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/entries/

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You can look on his website and see most of his purchases and/or horses running under him (I don't think Freddy was specifing only the horses bought by McPeek when he mentioned McPeek's winners at the KEE meet) are closer to the 50K range than the 500K range...

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/services/

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/entries/

The vast majority of horses listed are long since retired.

[philcski]

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/a-...-at-all-costs/

not to beat on the guy who just died, but he was a good trainer that had plenty of positives, including a morphine positive (and in this case, admitted usage without getting caught.) they all do whatever they can.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The vast majority of horses listed are long since retired.

Please Chuck give the guy credit. He has won a a lot with horses that were not exactly a++ types. He won wth a lot 25 -100k types that turned out to be very good earners. I wish his 2009 on you and yours in 2010

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The vast majority of horses listed are long since retired.

OK, you win Chuck - he totally sucks as a blood-stock agent and a trainer and you're like the best EVAH.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

OK, you win Chuck - he totally sucks as a blood-stock agent and a trainer and you're like the best EVAH.

You people are nuts. I said was skeptical that he won with a bunch of "50k types" at the last Kee meeting, you offer up a list of mostly long gone horses and suddenly I said all these things? Where did i say he sucks? Where did i say anything about me? Incredible. I am still skeptical that he won a bunch of races last meet with a bunch of 50k types and nothing you have shown with the exception of 1 horse says otherwise.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You people are nuts. I said was skeptical that he won with a bunch of "50k types" at the last Kee meeting, you offer up a list of mostly long gone horses and suddenly I said all these things? Where did i say he sucks? Where did i say anything about me? Incredible. I am still skeptical that he won a bunch of races last meet with a bunch of 50k types and nothing you have shown with the exception of 1 horse says otherwise.

He actually did win with a bunch of yearling purchases under 100k. Mind you I never question your horsemanship or talents as a trainer.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

He actually did win with a bunch of yearling purchases under 100k. Mind you I never question your horsemanship or talents as a trainer.

I am not the point here nor am I the point in most threads. I never said anything about Mcpeek negatively or positively. Because I train horses doesnt mean that everything I said is to be taken in the context of me. Far from it. I have more words put into my mouth here than I put food in it in real life, which is a tough thing to do.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You can look on his website and see most of his purchases and/or horses running under him (I don't think Freddy was specifing only the horses bought by McPeek when he mentioned McPeek's winners at the KEE meet) are closer to the 50K range than the 500K range...

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/services/

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/entries/

Not to burst any bubble, a perfect example of why not to get involved with a guy like McPeek is right here.

In his Private Offerings section, he has a 2008 Officer yearling filly available for 15k for 20%. That would be 75k for 100% of said filly. But he is keeping 20% of the filly, time to ask why?

Low and behold, that filly was bought in September for 50k, Hip# 2134. I'm sorry but within 45 days, she didn't jump 50% in value because she was eating Magdelena grass....

This would mean that he is selling 80% of the horse for 60k, so he is keeping 20% of the horse plus pocketing 10k.

Thats a great gig if you can get it to work. Knowing this, I would question every single invoice he ever sent.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Scav

Not to burst any bubble, a perfect example of why not to get involved with a guy like McPeek is right here.

In his Private Offerings section, he has a 2008 Officer yearling filly available for 15k for 20%. That would be 75k for 100% of said filly. But he is keeping 20% of the filly, time to ask why?

Low and behold, that filly was bought in September for 50k, Hip# 2134. I'm sorry but within 45 days, she didn't jump 50% in value because she was eating Magdelena grass....

This would mean that he is selling 80% of the horse for 60k, so he is keeping 20% of the horse plus pocketing 10k.

Thats a great gig if you can get it to work. Knowing this, I would question every single invoice he ever sent.

That Purge colt he bought for 13k at the Fasig Tipton July sale, and 75% of that horse is for sale, for 30k.

Brillant

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Scav

That Purge colt he bought for 13k at the Fasig Tipton July sale, and 75% of that horse is for sale, for 30k.

Brillant

It's called keeping in business Scav. Take a look at Westpoints markups

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by jms62

It's called keeping in business Scav. Take a look at Westpoints markups

yup , but it's against the law if you know there was collusion at the sale

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

Not to burst any bubble, a perfect example of why not to get involved with a guy like McPeek is right here.

In his Private Offerings section, he has a 2008 Officer yearling filly available for 15k for 20%. That would be 75k for 100% of said filly. But he is keeping 20% of the filly, time to ask why?

Low and behold, that filly was bought in September for 50k, Hip# 2134. I'm sorry but within 45 days, she didn't jump 50% in value because she was eating Magdelena grass....

This would mean that he is selling 80% of the horse for 60k, so he is keeping 20% of the horse plus pocketing 10k.

Thats a great gig if you can get it to work. Knowing this, I would question every single invoice he ever sent.

When you are an owner of horses and you are earning money the invoices are a lot easier to pay then if you are blow thru 300k a year without much success. Who gives a F about invoices when you are earning.. Stop it give the man his due

freddymo is the guy who praised Madoff before the scheme collapsed.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

freddymo is the guy who praised Madoff before the scheme collapsed.

and got his $$$ out many years ago , they can't even go back and get it from him as the staute of limitations expired

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

When you are an owner of horses and you are earning money the invoices are a lot easier to pay then if you are blow thru 300k a year without much success. Who gives a F about invoices when you are earning.. Stop it give the man his due

I wasn't being negative on McPeek that much, I was just pointing out something I consider extreme on his part. I think it would be much smarter for him to be selling 80% for the total sale price instead of marking up the horse up. I would have no issue with him keeping 20% and recouping his expense.

All this is really means nothing because the guy is doing really well right now. Lets see where alot of these two year olds are late in their 3 year old year though. Personally, I would rather have a horse progress and be around for 20 starts, then have them blow their load within their first two starts and be a 10nw3 claimer by November of their 3 year old year.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

I wasn't being negative on McPeek that much, I was just pointing out something I consider extreme on his part. I think it would be much smarter for him to be selling 80% for the total sale price instead of marking up the horse up. I would have no issue with him keeping 20% and recouping his expense.

All this is really means nothing because the guy is doing really well right now. Lets see where alot of these two year olds are late in their 3 year old year though. Personally, I would rather have a horse progress and be around for 20 starts, then have them blow their load within their first two starts and be a 10nw3 claimer by November of their 3 year old year.

20 starts what horses race 20 times anymore? That is like 30 months of training after the first start.. 20 starts your funny..

BTW how is McPeek going to sell other partnerships to the same people if he isnt winning early? Think about it the point is to get people to win money and reinvest it in new stock how does winning late help? There is a method to winning early beside the fun joy and profit..lol
You figure those 2 and 3 year old wins at Keeneland in allowance and stakes company dont personally work for you? Yeah I see your point winning stakes at Keeneland must suck.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

20 starts what horses race 20 times anymore? That is like 30 months of training after the first start.. 20 starts your funny..

BTW how is McPeek going to sell other partnerships to the same people if he isnt winning early? Think about it the point is to get people to win money and reinvest it in new stock how does winning late help? There is a method to winning early beside the fun joy and profit..lol
You figure those 2 and 3 year old wins at Keeneland in allowance and stakes company dont personally work for you? Yeah I see your point winning stakes at Keeneland must suck.

That was never my point. His recent Keeneland meet probably had his phone ringing off the hook.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

I wasn't being negative on McPeek that much, I was just pointing out something I consider extreme on his part. I think it would be much smarter for him to be selling 80% for the total sale price instead of marking up the horse up. I would have no issue with him keeping 20% and recouping his expense.

All this is really means nothing because the guy is doing really well right now. Lets see where alot of these two year olds are late in their 3 year old year though. Personally, I would rather have a horse progress and be around for 20 starts, then have them blow their load within their first two starts and be a 10nw3 claimer by November of their 3 year old year.

10nw3 claimers at Penn run for 23k 40% premium if you are a Pa bred.. I will have one in such a race in a few weeks.. gotta love slots lol