Who Is Horse Of The Year?

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i disagree. people keep lumping rachel into the east coast, conveniently forgetting races at oaklawn, fairgrounds and churchill downs.

I was wrong, I should of said " California Haters" is more like it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

I was wrong, I should of said " California Haters" is more like it.

i don't think it's a hatred of one state. zenyatta hasn't gotten any more grief than say...pepper's pride, or hallowed dreams. and no, i'm not comparing them talent-wise!! it's more a desire to see horses run in more than one state, to move outside their comfort zone.. it's a completely different style out there, and no dirt surfaces, and is next to impossible to draw comparisons if a horse only runs out there. a horse, such as rachel, who runs well all over the country except cali should get more respect than one who remains only in cali, right? there's a reason rachel didn't run there, and it's the same reason zenyatta only ran there. artificial surfaces. a comparison of the two has to be done only on what they both accomplished for the year, as any other comparisons would be based on opinion and conjecture.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't think it's a hatred of one state. zenyatta hasn't gotten any more grief than say...pepper's pride, or hallowed dreams. and no, i'm not comparing them talent-wise!! it's more a desire to see horses run in more than one state, to move outside their comfort zone.. it's a completely different style out there, and no dirt surfaces, and is next to impossible to draw comparisons if a horse only runs out there. a horse, such as rachel, who runs well all over the country except cali should get more respect than one who remains only in cali, right? there's a reason rachel didn't run there, and it's the same reason zenyatta only ran there. artificial surfaces. a comparison of the two has to be done only on what they both accomplished for the year, as any other comparisons would be based on opinion and conjecture.

I love how you sit there and make it sound like California horses never leave the state, when its usually exactly the opposite, they go all the way across country, winning at a pretty good clip on surfaces that are foreign to them, yet you rarely see it in reverse.

If they BC had been at CD she would have been there, the owners support racing, oh maybe you forgot horses like Giacomo and Tiago traveling around the country?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I love how you sit there and make it sound like California horses never leave the state, when its usually exactly the opposite, they go all the way across country, winning at a pretty good clip on surfaces that are foreign to them, yet you rarely see it in reverse.

If they BC had been at CD she would have been there, the owners support racing, oh maybe you forgot horses like Giacomo and Tiago traveling around the country?

how is my talking of zenyatta not leaving the state this year an indictment of all california horses every year?

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Originally Posted by Danzig

how is my talking of zenyatta not leaving the state this year an indictment of all california horses every year?

its the same argument, every year, every thread, it gets old.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Danzig

how is my talking of zenyatta not leaving the state this year an indictment of all california horses every year?

for example, when azeri was up for HOY it was, she had an uninspired campaign, she just beat up on no ones in socal, she did not race at belmont or saratoga..

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

for example, when azeri was up for HOY it was, she had an uninspired campaign, she just beat up on no ones in socal, she did not race at belmont or saratoga..

She raced nine times if I remember correctly though including a win in Chicago.

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

She raced nine times if I remember correctly though including a win in Chicago.

did I mention the number of races? no, it was the local

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

She raced nine times if I remember correctly though including a win in Chicago.

it was also "if she wanted to win she should have run in the classic"....thats what you heard around message boards.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

for example, when azeri was up for HOY it was, she had an uninspired campaign, she just beat up on no ones in socal, she did not race at belmont or saratoga..

which is why i mentioned her, because i thought she did plenty for HOY that year. those who argued she never travelled east were incorrect. altho she didn't go to the east coast, she most certainly did not remain in socal.