ramon and rajiv

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes he has.

He's a no brainer if you're talking about the top 5 in the country.

He's probably the best turf jockey of the last 20 years.

And I can assure you that he's no better a rider now than he was 5 years ago.

Not sure he is the best turf rider in the last 20 yrs. That is a hyperbole. I have heard that about every other jockey being touted as one.

Also, Leparoux hasnt even been riding for 5 yrs in the states and yet he has achieved more than Dominguez. At this point, you can argue if Dominguez is better than Russel Baze or not.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Not sure he is the best turf rider in the last 20 yrs. That is a hyperbole. I have heard that about every other jockey being touted as one.

Also, Leparoux hasnt even been riding for 5 yrs in the states and yet he has achieved more than Dominguez. At this point, you can argue if Dominguez is better than Russel Baze or not.

The overlay of the day on Fri was a turf route at CD in the 6th yesterday on Coulee with Leparioux riding, only 6 betting choices and Julien at almost 11-1. Leparioux gave the horse a flawless trip. Though I believe Ramon is more efficient with cover in turf races, Leparioux has a knack for getting horses to produce in the stretch. He's been very good this week and anytime you see a price on him I would certainly give him a second look.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by CSC

The overlay of the day on Fri was a turf route at CD in the 6th yesterday on Coulee with Leparioux riding, only 6 betting choices and Julien at almost 11-1. Leparioux gave the horse a flawless trip. Though I believe Ramon is more efficient with cover in turf races, Leparioux has a knack for getting horses to produce in the stretch. He's been very good this week and anytime you see a price on him I would certainly give him a second look.

hes always good down there. but, i noticed up here he does not win like that. trying to compare him to ramon and alan garcia makes me laugh because i don't think he will ever win like they do. he reminds me of pat day. cleaning up on the weaker jockey colonies. its funny how he comes in behind rajiv, alan and ramon when they ride the same meet. the whole thread is kind of ridiculous because two of the hottest jocks around are rajiv and ramon. riding is like hitting, sometimes you strike out! you can't fault a guy for some mistakes. the horses are going 40 miles an hour with split second decisions. yet, people come on and put down guys that routinely win 2 to 3 races a day! i want to put some of you on the back of a horse and see how far you get in a race without falling off. ramon only beat him by 17 wins in a 36 day meet at saratoga, yeah , that was real close, give me a break.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

hes always good down there. but, i noticed up here he does not win like that. trying to compare him to ramon and alan garcia makes me laugh because i don't think he will ever win like they do. he reminds me of pat day. cleaning up on the weaker jockey colonies. its funny how he comes in behind rajiv, alan and ramon when they ride the same meet. the whole thread is kind of ridiculous because two of the hottest jocks around are rajiv and ramon. riding is like hitting, sometimes you strike out! you can't fault a guy for some mistakes. the horses are going 40 miles an hour with split second decisions. yet, people come on and put down guys that routinely win 2 to 3 races a day! i want to put some of you on the back of a horse and see how far you get in a race without falling off. ramon only beat him by 17 wins in a 36 day meet at saratoga, yeah , that was real close, give me a break.

it's like people bashing the yankees , as a yankee fan i expect it , we over spend evey year on free agents or home grown players , and every year we are the favorite to win the world series. Ramon in NY , in particular at the BIG A is on the best horse a majority of the races, when you win 2 , 3, 4 rides a day but blow a couple of other rides during the week on horses you are supposed to win on you have to expect to be called out on it. It's not like he is blowing races on 45/1 shots that are hopless

[Gander]

Originally Posted by gales0678

it's like people bashing the yankees , as a yankee fan i expect it , we over spend evey year on free agents or home grown players , and every year we are the favorite to win the world series. Ramon in NY , in particular at the BIG A is on the best horse a majority of the races, when you win 2 , 3, 4 rides a day but blow a couple of other rides during the week on horses you are supposed to win on you have to expect to be called out on it. It's not like he is blowing races on 45/1 shots that are hopless

Like any great jockey, Ramon often rides horses that are overbet simply because he is riding them. Case in point yesterday's last race, the favorite American Land. Yes, the horse figured to be one of the possible winners out of about 5 horses that fit the same bill, but 9/5 was a terrible price. He loses with this horse and some people say he lost with a horse that should have won. Thats ridiculous. It was the kind of race where many bettors land on one horse strictly by default for who is riding (Ramon). Take away the riders, and you would have about 5 horses who would/should have been 4/1-6/1 range.

[gales0678]

can anyone explain to me what ramon was doing yesterday on national kid?

even durkin had to chime in saying he was being unusually strongly held at the 1/2 mile call (52 and change) , come on ramon let the horse go please , give him a chance to win the race

[Gander]

Originally Posted by gales0678

can anyone explain to me what ramon was doing yesterday on national kid?

even durkin had to chime in saying he was being unusually strongly held at the 1/2 mile call (52 and change) , come on ramon let the horse go please , give him a chance to win the race

It was a very puzzling ride to say the least. Reminds me of the ride he gave Lemon Cream Pie 9 days ago.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

hes always good down there. but, i noticed up here he does not win like that. trying to compare him to ramon and alan garcia makes me laugh because i don't think he will ever win like they do. he reminds me of pat day. cleaning up on the weaker jockey colonies. its funny how he comes in behind rajiv, alan and ramon when they ride the same meet. the whole thread is kind of ridiculous because two of the hottest jocks around are rajiv and ramon. riding is like hitting, sometimes you strike out! you can't fault a guy for some mistakes. the horses are going 40 miles an hour with split second decisions. yet, people come on and put down guys that routinely win 2 to 3 races a day! i want to put some of you on the back of a horse and see how far you get in a race without falling off. ramon only beat him by 17 wins in a 36 day meet at saratoga, yeah , that was real close, give me a break.

On turf, I would put him in there with the best riders in America. He has the right style for poly races also, I think him coming behind Garcia and Ramon has more to do with the quality of rides he gets. There's a strong pecking order at certain meets and unless you are Kent D, Garcia, or Ramon it is hard cashing in consistently on the 3rd best horse in races.