Who Is Horse Of The Year?

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What campaign can match a filly or mare winning a 5 million dollar race in that fashion? She aced the final exam, slept with teacher, and mopped the floor.

This makes no sense. Let me try and figure this out.

Lets say school starts in Sept. you show up a couple times a week, you pick the test that you want to take, miss all the major tests during the school year and come June, final exam time you show up take the test ace it with and A. Does this annoint you an A for the entire school year?????? I didnt think so.
You can't coast all year and expect to show up at the end ace one test and expect eveything that happened all year will go away. Stupid analogy

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by kgar311

This makes no sense. Let me try and figure this out.

Lets say school starts in Sept. you show up a couple times a week, you pick the test that you want to take, miss all the major tests during the school year and come June, final exam time you show up take the test ace it with and A. Does this annoint you an A for the entire school year?????? I didnt think so.
You can't coast all year and expect to show up at the end ace one test and expect eveything that happened all year will go away. Stupid analogy

History,,,,,,,,,,,,, just might remember the 2009 Breeders Cup Classic as the race RA skipped to avoid Zenyatta. Thats the story I will tell.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

History,,,,,,,,,,,,, just might remember the 2009 Breeders Cup Classic as the race RA skipped to avoid Zenyatta. Thats the story I will tell.

Ill tell the story of how Zenyatta ducked, bobbed, weaved and avoided all major races an entire lifetime then picked a spot to go against the boys, with home field advantage against a group of unproven horses on polycrap in which all of them were spinning their wheels at the top of the stretch.
Rachel did more in just two races this year than Zenyatta did in an entire lifetime.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Ill tell the story of how Zenyatta ducked, bobbed, weaved and avoided all major races an entire lifetime then picked a spot to go against the boys, with home field advantage against a group of unproven horses on polycrap in which all of them were spinning their wheels at the top of the stretch.
Rachel did more in just two races this year than Zenyatta did in an entire lifetime.

Interesting that it's perfectly OK for you to use the same words you hate when someone mentions ducked in reference to Rachel... that you are now on a campaign of running down Zenyatta to further RA in the public's eye, do you recognize what she did on Sat will probably not be seen the rest of our lifetime?

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by CSC

Interesting that it's perfectly OK for you to use the same words you hate when someone mentions ducked in reference to Rachel... that you are now on a campaign of running down Zenyatta to further RA in the public's eye, do you recognize what she did on Sat will probably not be seen the rest of our lifetime?

Dude me running down???? Are you kidding me ZERO IQ boy. You've been bashing Rachel all along. Find the post were I bashed Zenyatta. Lay off the POT dude it effects short term memory.

And YES Zenyatta's one accomplishment WILL be matched. Rachels year NEVER will.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by CSC

Interesting that it's perfectly OK for you to use the same words you hate when someone mentions ducked in reference to Rachel... that you are now on a campaign of running down Zenyatta to further RA in the public's eye, do you recognize what she did on Sat will probably not be seen the rest of our lifetime?

Um I believe I will see it in about one years time.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

History,,,,,,,,,,,,, just might remember the 2009 Breeders Cup Classic as the race RA skipped to avoid Zenyatta. Thats the story I will tell.

Oh yea and this just proved that you have a racing iq of like zero. Ducked Zenyatta are you mentally retarded. The decision was made that Rachel would not race on polycrap before they even bought her. Zenyatta didnt even decide to race in the classic until a week before the race, well after Rachel was shut down for the year. You act like Zenyattas pus sy owners had her planned to go the classic all year long, they were shi*ting their pants making the decision to put her in there.

You my fine sir are what we call a complete idiot.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Oh yea and this just proved that you have a racing iq of like zero. Ducked Zenyatta are you mentally retarded. The decision was made that Rachel would not race on polycrap before they even bought her. Zenyatta didnt even decide to race in the classic until a week before the race, well after Rachel was shut down for the year. You act like Zenyattas pus sy owners had her planned to go the classic all year long, they were shi*ting their pants making the decision to put her in there.

You my fine sir are what we call a complete idiot.

Stick and stones, sticks and stones. Clearly you are Bummed at the whole thing. The bright side is that in 3 weeks you will have forgotten what really happened and be racking up leaves waiting for Santa. Cheers.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Stick and stones, sticks and stones. Clearly you are Bummed at the whole thing. The bright side is that in 3 weeks you will have forgotten what really happened and be racking up leaves waiting for Santa. Cheers.

All he is resorted to now is namecalling, and running down Zenyatta to try to prove a point, it's pure desperation on his part.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Stick and stones, sticks and stones. Clearly you are Bummed at the whole thing. The bright side is that in 3 weeks you will have forgotten what really happened and be racking up leaves waiting for Santa. Cheers.

Bummed for what? I know who the better horse is and deserves end of year honors. I just find it sad that I cant enjoy what Zenyatta did because of a couple tools on here cant take a step back and put into perspective what really happened as a whole this year and what Rachel really accomplished in her once in a lifetime campaign for a 3yr old filly.
It's too bad people on here cant just talk of Zen and her accomplishment without bashing Rachel and trying to diminish the year she had. To say anything other then what Rachel did this year was spectacular and unmatchable is complete nonsense.
Zenyatta's year will be matched wayyyyyy quicker then Rachels ever will. Im willing to bet there will never be a 3yr old filly that will ever accomplish what Rachel did this year.

[RockHardTen1985]

Ok so I voted for Zenyatta in this poll, I thought Saturday locked up HOY for her. I beleive she would have blown Rachel away in the Woodward and in the BCC had they hooked up, but the award is HOY not whos better or who would have won.... IMO now the numbers do not lie and Rachel Deseves it.


# of Grade 1 wins this year....Rachel 5--Zenyatta 4

# of times facing "beating" the boys....Rachel 3--Zenyatta 1

Average Beyer, per start this year....Rachel 107--Zenyatta 103 "Rachel also ran 3 more times and one could argue she held her form longer and took it with her to 7 different tracks"

Average Field Size, per start this year....Racehel 7.25-- Zenyatta 7.60 "remember Rachels Acorn she only faced 2 other fillies, if not for that race she would be around 7.8 per race" I feel this is important because of the quality of horses Zenyatta beat all year, besides Life Is Sweet she beat no one, till the Classic.

# of different tracks run at... Rachel 7-- Zenyatta 3 I think this proves whos campaign was harder.

Again I think Zenyatta head-head at 1 1/4 would defeat Rachel but the Tale of the Tape does not lie, Rachel deserves HOY hands down IMO.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Again I think Zenyatta head-head at 1 1/4 would defeat Rachel but the Tale of the Tape does not lie, Rachel deserves HOY hands down IMO.

I'm not so sure that Zenyatta would beat RA at 10 furlongs. In the Haskell, RA was given a sensible ride, was behind Summer Bird for part of the race, and looked like she could have gone around the track one more time. If she isn't sent to the lead through fast fractions like she was in the Preakness and Woodward, then she can get 10.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by kgar311

This makes no sense. Let me try and figure this out.

Lets say school starts in Sept. you show up a couple times a week, you pick the test that you want to take, miss all the major tests during the school year and come June, final exam time you show up take the test ace it with and A. Does this annoint you an A for the entire school year?????? I didnt think so.
You can't coast all year and expect to show up at the end ace one test and expect eveything that happened all year will go away. Stupid analogy

I have had classes that put a ton of emphasis on the final exam. Z won more money this year, because she won the biggest race this country has. She took the tougher test, and romped. Tougher test, and more money won (both point to a quality edge.) This is a dirt/synthetic ..East/West fight. That's all it really is. Same thing you see each Monday when Beyers come out. Z pretty much told Beyer to go touch himself fancy.

[copying]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I have had classes that put a ton of emphasis on the final exam. Z won more money this year, because she won the biggest race this country has. She took the tougher test, and romped. Tougher test, and more money won (both point to a quality edge.) This is a dirt/synthetic ..East/West fight. That's all it really is. Same thing you see each Monday when Beyers come out. Z pretty much told Beyer to go touch himself fancy.

These RA backers are the same ones that think Easy Goer was better than SS. They also loved Alydar over Affirmed. War Admiral over Seabiscuit. They ignore what's done on the track.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by copying

These RA backers are the same ones that think Easy Goer was better than SS. They also loved Alydar over Affirmed. War Admiral over Seabiscuit. They ignore what's done on the track.

The old "eastern elite" circuit, eh?

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by copying

These RA backers are the same ones that think Easy Goer was better than SS. They also loved Alydar over Affirmed. War Admiral over Seabiscuit. They ignore what's done on the track.

SS defeated Easy Goer on the track.

Affirmed defeated Alydar on the track.

Seabiscuit won his match race with War Admiral.

Zenyatta has never defeated Rachel Alexandra, proving your argument wrong.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

SS defeated Easy Goer on the track.

Affirmed defeated Alydar on the track.
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This would mean something but many many east coast people think Alydar and Easy Goer were the better horse.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

This would mean something but many many east coast people think Alydar and Easy Goer were the better horse.

Easy Goer was an all-time great 2yo and 3yo. Sunday Silence was an all-time great 3yo.

If you want to talk about the 4 head-to-head meetings ... I think you can draw a line through the Ky Derby (SS won) and the Belmont (EG won)

The Derby was on a similar wet track at Churchill where EG ran WAY below his form as a 2yo. Sunday Silence won the Derby, but it graded out a very mediocre performance. I think its clear that both SS and EG hated the track that day .. EG just hated it a slight bit more. Giacomo and Mine That Bird might have been able to beat them both on that day.

I also give a pass to Sunday Silence for the lopsided Belmont defeat ... when you consider the quality of races Easy Goer ran at Belmont Park all through his career .. and the 12 furlong distance of the race ... SS really was up against it. Easy Goer ran a number on Ragozin that day equal to the Ragozin number Secretariat got for winning the Belmont.

It leaves the Breeders Cup Classic and Preakness Stakes. Two narrow wins for SS in very fast races. In both instances ... anyone watching the tape can see Easy Goer was more impressive in defeat both times. Sunday Silence had the better tactical speed and in both of those races ran more professional.. and that was really the difference in the outcome.

The only way you can argue that SS was the better horse of the two - is if you think the offical results of those 4 head-to-head meetings are all that count.

Just from watching films and looking at pps and charts - I can't imagine how anyone could conclude that Alydar was a better horse than Affirmed.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Easy Goer was an all-time great 2yo and 3yo. Sunday Silence was an all-time great 3yo.

If you want to talk about the 4 head-to-head meetings ... I think you can draw a line through the Ky Derby (SS won) and the Belmont (EG won)

The Derby was on a similar wet track at Churchill where EG ran WAY below his form as a 2yo. Sunday Silence won the Derby, but it graded out a very mediocre performance. I think its clear that both SS and EG hated the track that day .. EG just hated it a slight bit more. Giacomo and Mine That Bird might have been able to beat them both on that day.

I also give a pass to Sunday Silence for the lopsided Belmont defeat ... when you consider the quality of races Easy Goer ran at Belmont Park all through his career .. and the 12 furlong distance of the race ... SS really was up against it. Easy Goer ran a number on Ragozin that day equal to the Ragozin number Secretariat got for winning the Belmont.

It leaves the Breeders Cup Classic and Preakness Stakes. Two narrow wins for SS. In both instances ... anyone watching the tape can see Easy Goer was more impressive in defeat both times. Sunday Silence had the better tactical speed and in both of those races ran more professional.. and that was really the difference in the outcome.

The only way you can argue that SS was the better horse of the two - is if you think the offical results of those 4 head-to-head meetings are all that count.

Just from watching films and looking at pps and charts - I can't imagine how anyone could conclude that Alydar was a better horse than Affirmed.

Pat Day himself admits that he cost Easy Goer the Preakness. He was tremendous in defeat.

NT

[10 pnt move up]

see, head to head means something but not everything, as Drugs so smartly pointed out.