2009 Breeders' Cup

brianwspencer · #1 10-27-2009, 10:59 AM

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I have a fundamental belief right or wrong I will sink or swim with... but I firmly believe European trainers are better at getting their horses fit for stamina type of races, a marathon over there is 2 miles + hard to believe but 1 3/4 might be a cut back for some horses over there.

While your theory may work in general, I think it has no bearing on any conversation involving Jonathan Sheppard, whose training style is as stamina-oriented as anyone's.

CSC · #2 10-27-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

While your theory may work in general, I think it has no bearing on any conversation involving Jonathan Sheppard, whose training style is as stamina-oriented as anyone's.

Yeah he's the exception, he's a Brit so he's got that type of mentality.

brianwspencer · #3 10-27-2009, 11:16 AM

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Yeah he's the exception, he's a Brit so he's got that type of mentality.

And Cloudy is a big, lumbering, horse (and to be honest, kind of ugly up close too, if you ask me) who's always seemed better-suited to marathon distances and sweeping courses, which seems to explain his success at Woodbine and Kentucky Downs.

Based on the way he runs and the way he moves, it seems to me that while there are some concerns (short rest, Pro-Ride), the distance being within his scope won't be one of them.

Plus, he couldn't have looked ANY more sensational bouncing his way back to the winner's circle last week after the Sycamore. Like having just run that marathon race was nothing at all to him...

CSC · #4 10-27-2009, 11:35 AM

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And Cloudy is a big, lumbering, horse (and to be honest, kind of ugly up close too, if you ask me) who's always seemed better-suited to marathon distances and sweeping courses, which seems to explain his success at Woodbine and Kentucky Downs.

Based on the way he runs and the way he moves, it seems to me that while there are some concerns (short rest, Pro-Ride), the distance being within his scope won't be one of them.

Plus, he couldn't have looked ANY more sensational bouncing his way back to the winner's circle last week after the Sycamore. Like having just run that marathon race was nothing at all to him...

I like the looks on paper atleast of Father Time, he's going to be overlooked due to Godolphin's Mastery but he has the look of a live Euro (perhaps 1st lasix) in this race. Not a huge fan of Jamie Spencer though if he is indeed the Jock but he's definitely possible.

brianwspencer · #5 10-27-2009, 11:40 AM

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I like the looks on paper atleast of Father Time, he's going to be overlooked due to Godolphin's Mastery but he has the look of a live Euro (perhaps 1st lasix) in this race. Not a huge fan of Jamie Spencer though if he is indeed the Jock but he's definitely possible.

Yea, most people named Spencer are notorious for screwing up things when the big-time comes around.

King Glorious · #6 10-27-2009, 12:18 PM

Two things stood out to me.

Summer Bird also being entered in the Turf.
Girolamo's first preference being the Classic.

Kasept · #7 10-27-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Two things stood out to me.

Summer Bird also being entered in the Turf.
Girolamo's first preference being the Classic.

Ice said a month ago that Summer Bird would be cross-entered in the Turf.

Putting Girolamo in the Classic seems a tad 'eager', no? But hell, they already have 2 in the Dirt Mile...

Sightseek · #8 10-27-2009, 12:53 PM

Anyone else notice what Zenyatta's first preference is?

cakes44 · #9 10-27-2009, 01:09 PM

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Anyone else notice what Zenyatta's first preference is?

That really means nothing. They know there was no chance of the Distaff overflowing. It just makes things easier for them, as usual.