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Old 09-19-2006, 11:34 AM
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Bernardini 13-8
Invasor 7-2
Lava Man 5-1
Shirocco 10-1
David Junior 11-1
Dylan Thomas 12-1
Sun King 14-1
Jazil, who likely will not be ready, 16-1,
Lawyer Ron 20-1
Brother Derek, Second of June, and Super Frolic at 25-1
Jokermo, Perfect 3rd place, Weak Contender, and Suave 33-1.
Where did you get those odds? They are not representative of what is already available in future bets. When you title a thread, "Breeder's Cup Future Odds", it would be a lot more meaningful if you post the source of your odds.

I don't know where you got these odds, but I'm sure I can point to far better future odds on most if not all of these horses.

Here are the odds available from VIPsports and its sister, Gameday:

Bernardini 5-2
Invasor 7-1
Lava Man 6-1
Jazil 25-1
Brother Derek 30-1
Sun King 20-1
Suave 50-1
etc...

Each of those is way better than the ones you posted. I'm no fan of Gameday, but both Gameday and its sister are A-rated at Sportsbookreview.com.

I'll post a list of best future odds from several racebooks by next week.

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Old 09-19-2006, 11:38 AM
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Where did you get those odds? They are not representative of what is already available in future bets. When you title a thread, "Breeder's Cup Future Odds", it would be a lot more meaningful if you post the source of your odds.

I don't know where you got these odds, but I'm sure I can point to far better future odds on most if not all of these horses.

Here are the odds available from VIPsports and its sister, Gameday:

Bernardini 5-2
Invasor 7-1
Lava Man 6-1
Jazil 25-1
Brother Derek 30-1
Sun King 20-1
Suave 50-1
etc...

Each of those is way better than the ones you posted. I'm no fan of Gameday, but both Gameday and its sister are A-rated at Sportsbookreview.com.

I'll post a list of best future odds from several racebooks by next week.

--Dunbar
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Old 09-19-2006, 12:55 PM
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It was originally posted that Invasor is 7/2. Think about this. The BC Classic is 7 weeks away, he hasnt run in his final prep yet. We dont even know if he makes the BC Classic.

You will be able to get in the neighborhood of 7/2 on Invasor in the Jockey Club Gold Cup in 2.5 weeks the day of that race. That race will surely come up weaker than the BC Classic with Bernardini being his chief opposition.

Why wouldnt you just bet Invasor at Belmont in 2 weeks at around the same price, in a field that will not include Lava Man and some of the possible Euro unknowns on a track he has already won on?
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Old 09-19-2006, 01:08 PM
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It was originally posted that Invasor is 7/2. Think about this. The BC Classic is 7 weeks away, he hasnt run in his final prep yet. We dont even know if he makes the BC Classic.

You will be able to get in the neighborhood of 7/2 on Invasor in the Jockey Club Gold Cup in 2.5 weeks the day of that race. That race will surely come up weaker than the BC Classic with Bernardini being his chief opposition.

Why wouldnt you just bet Invasor at Belmont in 2 weeks at around the same price, in a field that will not include Lava Man and some of the possible Euro unknowns on a track he has already won on?
That's all true, Gander. But at the 7-1 available at Gameday, you cannot make those statements. I'm not saying Invasor is a good bet at 7-1, only that 7-1 can't be dismissed without some thought. (in the way you showed that 7-2 can)

If someone really liked Invasor, the 7-1 might be reasonable. We will NOT see 7-1 on Invasor in the JCGC, and if Invasor is good enough to win the BCC, he will almost certainly show it in the JCGC. And there goes his BCC odds, if you see what I mean.

For someone who really likes Invasor's chances in the BCC, the best reason to NOT take the 7-1 is that something better may be available when Pinnacle and TheGreek get around to posting their future odds.

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Old 09-19-2006, 01:16 PM
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I agree, there is a huge difference between 7/2 and 7/1. The difference between profiting $350 for every $100 risked as opposed to $700 for every $100 risked.

If you are a huge Invasor fan for the Classic, it may be wise to make this bet now as opposed to waiting until after the Jockey Club Gold Cup. If Invasor wins the Jockey Club Gold Cup his future odds in the Classic will probably go down in the 4/1 - 5/1 range.
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